[Poll] Remove the R-27ER from the early Mig-29 variants

afaik you cant have a 4x r73 loadout on mig21 bison

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stop trying to gaslight ppl the thrust curve is incorrect at every speed

thats not what you said go gaslight somewhere else dont do it here

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nope

i meant to say *cant

yeah we/ I figured that out as well after looking at bug reports lol

@ron_23
I’m glad we agree that the thrust curve is incorrect.

Literally is:
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Right after I started re-invstigating the thrust curve issue… would you look at that.

And evidence the thrust curve is incorrect between those speeds and beyond:

what you said is this:

i do not care what you said somewhere else or on discord

your own evidence is saying that the thrust is incorrect at every speed
which isnt even your evidence it is @Merf_HD 's evidence

stop the gaslighting

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why am i arguing?

simple because you are trying to twist your statments after the fact to not look bad no matter how right or wrong you were

it isnt your evidence it is @Merf_HD 's and said very specific words which mean very specific things and you changing the message after the fact doesnt change what you said

you said that the thrust is ONLY incorrect between 400 and 650kph meanin it is correct at any other speed

so cut it
go gaslight someone else becasue i will hold you accountable for your words
becasue you will just go on and continue trying to manipulate words and their meaning into something they arent

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To reiterate my argument that I’ve been making for well over a year:
The thrust curve of RD-33 engines installed in Mig-29 is incorrect.
My initial findings found evidence beyond 400kph and exceeding 650kph.

I thought I was accurately implying that the curve was incorrect to around mach 1, but that was clearly not the case since some haven’t picked up on that implication and I have fixed the error in wording to include a + or “more than” or “exceeding”.

I apologize to those that did not understand that was my claim, I made wording errors and that caused issue.
My posts that had incorrect language used have been corrected.

that was not your claim
you said that you have sources, which you dont

you said the flight model is correct, which it isnt

you said that the thrust curve is correct besides from 400 to 650kph

an argument you made a year ago in a thread that is dead does not matter here, as nobody has seen that thread or read your messages, that is in here

and now cut it as it is off topic and i will also not continue this in PMs

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My brain is melting Georgie best momento

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need tho have the last word dont you?

that dosent make you right and gaslighting will not help you and twisting what was said will neither

merf disagreed with you as well, that is a fact
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you are still trying to twist your statment, from what was actually said

and you should accept that you dont know what words mean if you keep this up, you said something very specific, which dosent leave any room for interpretation and yet claim that you didnt

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stop the gaslighting you are not convincing anyone here

and you not backing down shows that you desperatly want to safe face and try to make me the one who was wrong even tho everything is pointing against you

and again:
stop it nobody wants to read your gaslighting attempts and they are off topic as well

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Just leave the R-27ER, add R-73 and 27ET and move them to 13.0.

Also good to see that Razorvon(alvis) is still gracing the forums with their enlightened takes

yap thread

1st of all that is ahistorical for the 9.12 and 9.13
2nd that will not happen due to it completely invalidating the Mig29G completly

The only way to get the r73 on the 9.12 and 9.13 (ignoring the 29g) is to have the r27er removed as it should because they never carried it

This is kind of a double standard take.

MiG-29G never carried R-27ER, so why shouldn’t it have it’s R-27ER removed as well.

I honestly think the MiG-29s are fine as is, the R-27ERs are almost guranteed kills and the rest can be done with the gun.

Also at 12.7 the MiG-29 9-12 and 9-13 face a lot of premiums who aren’t aware enough to flare, thus giving more power to the R-60Ms

@Danzig_A11
If you have an issue with people saying the Mig-29’s flight performance is incorrect, just say so instead of personally attacking others.

Classic

Honestly, it is quite funny that M2K that is ways better than MiG-29s is sitting at lower BR.

The MiG-29G should not have been added to TT in the first place because historically, the differences between the MiG-29A and MiG-29G in the real life are merely modifications to several different specifications and functions in NATO and WSO.

They could add G model as premium but, they added it in TT with arbitrary changes.