inb4 “but those aren’t B-52 sized bombers, that’s what I mean”
…as if that helps in any way
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There’s no way you’re giving F-14B AIM-9M, and having it the same BR as J-8F, which receives two PL-12 and the rest being PL-8 non-IRCCM missiles on a flying brick platform. Though, if we want to give the J-8F PL-8 with IRCCM… I’m all ears.
I expect the F-14A and F-14B could go up another BR step if they received their upgraded AIM-9s. I’m certainly not opposed to that.
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None of which are bombers, they are supersonic airframes capable of bombing. The fact you included F-14 [F-111F] is proof enough.
Thanks for admitting my post was correct.
AJS and SU series? They were vehicles made for CAS first, they lack the fighting to handle F14’s in terms of rate fighting nor do they have on par missiles.
They also can’t face F-14s.
The ones that can have better weaponry due to their worse airframes.
Showing my age lmao, i quit with all the ARH spam from F14’s, i forgot they only slightly pushed them in BR. Regardless still stands that bombers without proper offensive weapons strike fighter tornados have no advantage. You could say 9L and id say you’re new to air RB. SU-25 have decent RWR but horrible flight performance. Even when sitting 10m off the ground you will probably be hit by splash. Try notching and you’re more likely to get picked off since you cant fight back effectively. Again AIM-54 and Fakour 90 gameplay is some of the most lobotimized gameplay available where it makes players carry only ARH and run to airfield. Honestly pushing them up where they fight other ARH slings more commonly would be a decent change since they can get their 9M’s for a .3-.7 increase and the 11.7 jets can avoid dealing with lobotomites, aside from bombing phantoms.
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To see the F14’s pushed up once more would be a dream to see, i dont have a problem since im either playing a fighter or i have decent flight performance but playing sluggish strike fighters is hell.
“Slightly” Sir, they are at 12.7 from 11.3 starting position.
Their equivalent aircraft with worse dogfight performance is at 12.0: F-4J.
AIM-54 is so easy to dodge that going straight dodges them.
Fakours you just have to slightly turn.
Neither are comparable to the vastly superior AMRAAMs which are at 13.0 BTW.
F-14s are already pushed up, two out of three are unplayable in air RB.
F-14A when it was 12.3 was balanced, it didn’t even perform as well as F-4J/S because it was a higher BR with the same loadouts.
Which two are unplayable, cause i haven’t played one that isnt unplayable, sure i screw up at times but thats on me.
F-14A: Same weapons as F-4J/S, 12.7, same RWR & similar radar, same countermeasures.
In air RB dogfighting doesn’t matter so the marginal increase in energy retention of F-14A is barely helpful.
F-14B: Currently it along with Viggen Di, Sea Harrier, and Kfir C10 are effectively eh cause F-15A, Su-27, etc exist at the same BR as superior platforms.
Every single one of those aircraft has a primary role of taking out bases within ARB and not should not be used for A2A combat. If their ability to take out bases should not be taken into account for BR placement then I propose we lower all of their BRs
After all, aircraft like the Buc S2 would be better suited for 8.3 if it’s A2A performance was the only balancing concern
Buc S1 even lower
Why shouldn’t the F-14A/F-111F/C be used for air to air when that’s one of their best roles?
Same with F-4, F1, Mirage 2000.
Half the Tornados are 11.3, and all of them are incapable of dying to AIM-54s, they are not bombers.
Bucc S2 would be the bomber in question, but that’s well below.
Why should they be expected to dogfight?
By your definition, the Buc S2 is not a bomber…it’s a sub sonic fighter armed with 2x Aim-9Bs and no gun at 9.3
Congratulations, the other 4 can. If they aren’t bombers (or to use the correct name, interdictors) what are they then, because 2x 9Ls on a bus of an airframe at 11.7 is not balanced at all and should only be 11.0 given their A2A performance
Interdictor definition
An interdictor is a type of attack aircraft or tactical bomber that operates far behind enemy lines, with the express intent of air interdiction of the enemy’s military targets, most notably those involved in logistics.
F-111, Su-24 and Tornado IDS are all interdictors
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@Morvran
It’s not my definition, it’s the definition of countless militaries.
Tactical and strategic bombers are a class of bomber.
Then you have supersonic strat/tac bombers which I never mentioned.
Then you have multi-role aircraft like Tornado, F14, etc.
F-14A/F-111F/C are good fighters.
So you agree then, aircraft like the tornado IDS and F-111s are bombers that can see the F14A.
Glad that’s been sorted
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After some discussion with others, I agree that the GR.7 probably shouldn’t go up.
The A-10C is going to 12.0, and the GR.7 is arguably very similar to that. Being faster it would be fine staying at 12.3.
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Take a look at my upper tier decompression proposal for 12.7 to 14.0
I feel like being an A-10 isn’t a drawback
If it had it’s redundancies implemented, maybe.
I feel like a 0.3 BR difference between the two is fair - the Harrier ofc being higher than the A-10C.
The A-10C definitely did need to go up in my opinion, it’s just questionable whether the GR.7 needed to. I should have had the poll asking about the GR.7 instead of the A-10C for sure.