No they are not.
11.7s right now should not have to face what is currently at 12.7. (Hence 12.7 → 13.0)
12.7s right now should not have to face what is currently at 13.7. (Hence 13.7 → 14.3)
That is the whole point of this decompression spread.
Fakour-90s are the issue here, not the plane itself. The plane itself is mediocre at best, but the Fakour-90 is far beyond anything at 12.7. It being the same BR as the F-14B is more than fair.
This makes zero sense. The F-4J/S are dramatically worse off than the F-14A IRIAF. Furthermore, they do still face the F-14A IRIAF since they sit at 12.3 and 13.3 respectively.
The British Phantoms are also a bit worse than the F-4J/S. The American Phantoms get AIM-7Fs and HMS, while the British Phantoms only get better engines. This justifies a 0.3 BR difference in my opinion.
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@Blanchboi
This is an opinion, on top of that the current 11.7s are among the most capable for their BR. 11.7 is already decompressed in that regard.
13.0 is compressed and that’s about it.
I get if I had a massive skill issue and was trash at War Thunder I’d be claiming 11.7 was compressed, but I’m far more rational than letting emotions get the better of me.
Fakour 90s have not been an issue since F-14A moved to 12.7. They’re worse than AMRAHMs, and perfectly balanced at 12.7.
IF I was absolutely garbage at this game and let myself die to them, yeah I could see myself with a shortsighted view that they were OP when they’re not.
The F-4J has worse radar missiles and slightly worse energy retention than the F-14A IRIAF, thus 0.7 BR difference.
F-4J would have to be 12.7 in your ideal world in order for balance to occur, which means Mig-23MLD would have to be 12.3, JA37C would have to be 12.0, Mig-21Bis 11.7, etc until you reach 9.3 vehicles where you’re decompressing 9.3.
Cause objectively speaking the only two things F-14A IRIAF has over F-4J is 4 radar missiles and marginally improved energy retention since F-14A requires more fuel than F-4J in matches.
HMS is a gimmick when you lack thrust vectoring missiles.
That is also an opinion.
Sorry I don’t find fighting Fakour-90s with horrible RWRs to be very fun. I’ll reconsider what I consider to be fun to fit more in line with the factual AlvisWisla :)
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My poor Mig-23 with SPO-10 facing ARH missiles isn’t fun. It’s a really good plane at 11.7, but it’s held back massively by its godawful rwr. The MLD fixes that issue (and it could even go up in BR because of that).
Is it a fakour approaching me? Is it tracking a lock from a teammate nearby, or an enemy 30km away? Or is there just a kfir in my general vicinity?
I don’t think 11.0-11.7 is that compressed compared to other BRs, but it still is compressed. The Mig-21MF at 10.7is 0.7 worse than the Mig-21bis at 11.0, but the 21bis is 0.7 worse than the Mig-23ML/A/D at 11.7. 12.0+ is the really compressed area.
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RWRs that tell you you’re launched on are good. Cause you don’t need to notch Fakours, you just need to out-maneuver them on the deck, which is easy enough.
Literally have done it in every aircraft at this point.
It’s actually very useful, because it allows you to easily lock a specific enemy, rather than hoping ACM locks what you want to lock.
Why ignore the entire reason why it should be at 13.0? Obviously if you ignore its best missile it’s going to be worse.
Currently, Fakours are too good to be facing 11.7 planes, and the IRAF is better suited to be in ARH missile territory, rather than having them at the lowest BR they exist at.
Not true. Their speed and range allows them to force at minimum 4 players into a defensive position. They are also potent against higher alt planes due to them having the range advantage.
Which is something several planes that can face F-14s don’t have.
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F15A and Gripen A to 13.7? Idk if you’ve actually played them but the Gripen A players arent running Skyflash because its worthless at that BR as your missile doesn’t have the range of the 7F or the mobility of it. Its more similar to the Belgian F16 but guess people still seem to think gripen A is good for some reason. Dont get me wrong it’s a okay 13.0 but ill take any other 13.0 since they have good radar missiles and some actually have more than 6 missiles. Rip the mig 29G and SMT, still amazes me how the Su 27 is the same br
Why are you always ignoring why the F-14A IRIAF should be 12.7 and then accusing everyone else of doing the same? Obvious projection in that post.
Fakours are not “too good” to anyone except bombers. There are no bombers at 11.7+.
Going straight toward F-14s is not a “defensive position”.
Also minority of planes is not “several”.
This applies to Phoenixes, not Fakours
F-111C/F
Tornado Gr1/ASSTA1/A200A
Tornado Gr4
F-4s (who are base bombing)
Mirage F1
Mirage 2k R1/RMV
Probably more that I am forgetting
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AJS37
SU17 (ALL models)
SU22
All of which have bad RWR
Of which the AJS in order to get a full base needs to forgo any form of CM’s meaning it is defenseless
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inb4 “but those aren’t B-52 sized bombers, that’s what I mean”
…as if that helps in any way
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There’s no way you’re giving F-14B AIM-9M, and having it the same BR as J-8F, which receives two PL-12 and the rest being PL-8 non-IRCCM missiles on a flying brick platform. Though, if we want to give the J-8F PL-8 with IRCCM… I’m all ears.
I expect the F-14A and F-14B could go up another BR step if they received their upgraded AIM-9s. I’m certainly not opposed to that.
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None of which are bombers, they are supersonic airframes capable of bombing. The fact you included F-14 [F-111F] is proof enough.
Thanks for admitting my post was correct.
AJS and SU series? They were vehicles made for CAS first, they lack the fighting to handle F14’s in terms of rate fighting nor do they have on par missiles.
They also can’t face F-14s.
The ones that can have better weaponry due to their worse airframes.
Showing my age lmao, i quit with all the ARH spam from F14’s, i forgot they only slightly pushed them in BR. Regardless still stands that bombers without proper offensive weapons strike fighter tornados have no advantage. You could say 9L and id say you’re new to air RB. SU-25 have decent RWR but horrible flight performance. Even when sitting 10m off the ground you will probably be hit by splash. Try notching and you’re more likely to get picked off since you cant fight back effectively. Again AIM-54 and Fakour 90 gameplay is some of the most lobotimized gameplay available where it makes players carry only ARH and run to airfield. Honestly pushing them up where they fight other ARH slings more commonly would be a decent change since they can get their 9M’s for a .3-.7 increase and the 11.7 jets can avoid dealing with lobotomites, aside from bombing phantoms.
krydser fingre
To see the F14’s pushed up once more would be a dream to see, i dont have a problem since im either playing a fighter or i have decent flight performance but playing sluggish strike fighters is hell.
“Slightly” Sir, they are at 12.7 from 11.3 starting position.
Their equivalent aircraft with worse dogfight performance is at 12.0: F-4J.
AIM-54 is so easy to dodge that going straight dodges them.
Fakours you just have to slightly turn.
Neither are comparable to the vastly superior AMRAAMs which are at 13.0 BTW.
F-14s are already pushed up, two out of three are unplayable in air RB.
F-14A when it was 12.3 was balanced, it didn’t even perform as well as F-4J/S because it was a higher BR with the same loadouts.
Which two are unplayable, cause i haven’t played one that isnt unplayable, sure i screw up at times but thats on me.