Thank you!
I can say for certain that it’s not easy to handle balance overall, it wasn’t easy doing just 2 BR jumps (and I still got stuff wrong lol).
Changing the BR’s of a hand full of vehicles in one very small segment of the game is not going to “fix” the BR’s or the system as a whole. This has been the approach Gaijin has been using for a long while now and . . . it simply doesn’t help. At most it merely moves the same issues around to different BR spreads.
A comprehensive strategy to changing the entire BR system, how it works and is implemented is what we are in need of and frankly . . . I just do not see Gaijin having the extra time/resources to even consider such an undertaking really.
It generates no revenue, so that is a huge strike against the idea right out of the gate. No matter what they might choose to do or how they go about it, a large portion of the player base would not like it anyway . . . they simply cannot please everyone. I do not play high/top tier(well except naval RB, but . . . that’s different anyway, isn’t it?) and your post, as well thought out and nicely presented as it is, means nothing to me and my game play whatsoever, sorry. While your idea seems sound, again, without a massive BR adjustment, top to bottom, these things are just fingers in the dike. . . . you want some radical changes for the entire game?
Change the BR’s to include a 0.5 in each full BR range . .
i.e. 1.0 - 1.25 - 1.50 - 1.75 and so on, this would give you “decompression” across the board and allow for a +/- 0.75 BR spread per match(still the same 3 steps up or down we use now, but with more leeway) Start with Reserves as 0.75 BR, everything else would start at 1.0 and go from there.
Why not split the air & ground trees like they did with naval? WW II, Cold War & Modern . . . ease up on some of the “inter era” matches ups?
Generates no revenue, massive workload . . . ain’t gonna happen.
Realistically, most things that would improve the BR system we have just do not add up for Gaijin to make a move, “not financially viable” . . . it’s good enough as it is . . . C’est la Vie . . . .
11.7 - 12.7 are already decompressed.
F-14A IRIAF is already decompressed to 12.7 where it belongs. It’s a direct upgrade over F-4J thus is 0.7 BRs higher.
It can’t go to 13.x unless F-4J and F4FGR2 [without AIM-9Ls] goes to ~12.7 as well. If they get AIM-9Ls they go to the same exact BR as F-14A IRIAF for balance and decompression reasons.
Mirage 2000C5 would have to be the same BR as F-14A IRIAF for decompression and balance.
ALL 12.0s in the game would have to go to 12.3 if F-14A IRIAF moved up.
ALL 12.7s, 13.0s, etc would have to move up as well.
They’d have to be the same BR as F-14A IRIAF.
No they are not.
11.7s right now should not have to face what is currently at 12.7. (Hence 12.7 → 13.0)
12.7s right now should not have to face what is currently at 13.7. (Hence 13.7 → 14.3)
That is the whole point of this decompression spread.
Fakour-90s are the issue here, not the plane itself. The plane itself is mediocre at best, but the Fakour-90 is far beyond anything at 12.7. It being the same BR as the F-14B is more than fair.
This makes zero sense. The F-4J/S are dramatically worse off than the F-14A IRIAF. Furthermore, they do still face the F-14A IRIAF since they sit at 12.3 and 13.3 respectively.
The British Phantoms are also a bit worse than the F-4J/S. The American Phantoms get AIM-7Fs and HMS, while the British Phantoms only get better engines. This justifies a 0.3 BR difference in my opinion.
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This is an opinion, on top of that the current 11.7s are among the most capable for their BR. 11.7 is already decompressed in that regard.
13.0 is compressed and that’s about it.
I get if I had a massive skill issue and was trash at War Thunder I’d be claiming 11.7 was compressed, but I’m far more rational than letting emotions get the better of me.
Fakour 90s have not been an issue since F-14A moved to 12.7. They’re worse than AMRAHMs, and perfectly balanced at 12.7.
IF I was absolutely garbage at this game and let myself die to them, yeah I could see myself with a shortsighted view that they were OP when they’re not.
The F-4J has worse radar missiles and slightly worse energy retention than the F-14A IRIAF, thus 0.7 BR difference.
F-4J would have to be 12.7 in your ideal world in order for balance to occur, which means Mig-23MLD would have to be 12.3, JA37C would have to be 12.0, Mig-21Bis 11.7, etc until you reach 9.3 vehicles where you’re decompressing 9.3.
Cause objectively speaking the only two things F-14A IRIAF has over F-4J is 4 radar missiles and marginally improved energy retention since F-14A requires more fuel than F-4J in matches.
HMS is a gimmick when you lack thrust vectoring missiles.
That is also an opinion.
Sorry I don’t find fighting Fakour-90s with horrible RWRs to be very fun. I’ll reconsider what I consider to be fun to fit more in line with the factual AlvisWisla :)
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My poor Mig-23 with SPO-10 facing ARH missiles isn’t fun. It’s a really good plane at 11.7, but it’s held back massively by its godawful rwr. The MLD fixes that issue (and it could even go up in BR because of that).
Is it a fakour approaching me? Is it tracking a lock from a teammate nearby, or an enemy 30km away? Or is there just a kfir in my general vicinity?
I don’t think 11.0-11.7 is that compressed compared to other BRs, but it still is compressed. The Mig-21MF at 10.7is 0.7 worse than the Mig-21bis at 11.0, but the 21bis is 0.7 worse than the Mig-23ML/A/D at 11.7. 12.0+ is the really compressed area.
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RWRs that tell you you’re launched on are good. Cause you don’t need to notch Fakours, you just need to out-maneuver them on the deck, which is easy enough.
Literally have done it in every aircraft at this point.
It’s actually very useful, because it allows you to easily lock a specific enemy, rather than hoping ACM locks what you want to lock.
Why ignore the entire reason why it should be at 13.0? Obviously if you ignore its best missile it’s going to be worse.
Currently, Fakours are too good to be facing 11.7 planes, and the IRAF is better suited to be in ARH missile territory, rather than having them at the lowest BR they exist at.
Not true. Their speed and range allows them to force at minimum 4 players into a defensive position. They are also potent against higher alt planes due to them having the range advantage.
Which is something several planes that can face F-14s don’t have.
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F15A and Gripen A to 13.7? Idk if you’ve actually played them but the Gripen A players arent running Skyflash because its worthless at that BR as your missile doesn’t have the range of the 7F or the mobility of it. Its more similar to the Belgian F16 but guess people still seem to think gripen A is good for some reason. Dont get me wrong it’s a okay 13.0 but ill take any other 13.0 since they have good radar missiles and some actually have more than 6 missiles. Rip the mig 29G and SMT, still amazes me how the Su 27 is the same br
Why are you always ignoring why the F-14A IRIAF should be 12.7 and then accusing everyone else of doing the same? Obvious projection in that post.
Fakours are not “too good” to anyone except bombers. There are no bombers at 11.7+.
Going straight toward F-14s is not a “defensive position”.
Also minority of planes is not “several”.
This applies to Phoenixes, not Fakours
F-111C/F
Tornado Gr1/ASSTA1/A200A
Tornado Gr4
F-4s (who are base bombing)
Mirage F1
Mirage 2k R1/RMV
Probably more that I am forgetting
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AJS37
SU17 (ALL models)
SU22
All of which have bad RWR
Of which the AJS in order to get a full base needs to forgo any form of CM’s meaning it is defenseless
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inb4 “but those aren’t B-52 sized bombers, that’s what I mean”
…as if that helps in any way
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There’s no way you’re giving F-14B AIM-9M, and having it the same BR as J-8F, which receives two PL-12 and the rest being PL-8 non-IRCCM missiles on a flying brick platform. Though, if we want to give the J-8F PL-8 with IRCCM… I’m all ears.
I expect the F-14A and F-14B could go up another BR step if they received their upgraded AIM-9s. I’m certainly not opposed to that.
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None of which are bombers, they are supersonic airframes capable of bombing. The fact you included F-14 [F-111F] is proof enough.
Thanks for admitting my post was correct.
AJS and SU series? They were vehicles made for CAS first, they lack the fighting to handle F14’s in terms of rate fighting nor do they have on par missiles.
They also can’t face F-14s.
The ones that can have better weaponry due to their worse airframes.