Poll : Current Top Tier Ground Realistic Battles Situation : Suggested Fixes / Balancing

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This thread is here to discuss the current Top Tier Balancing Issues introduced by the Tusk Force Update. The discussion is based on prior threads : The MI28 Problem , Russian Teams Steamrolling NATO - Top Tier is Broken Again?. Other threads exist on the topic but the two above are linked as they are the biggest ones and where I get most of my references for suggested balancing fixes / changes.

The following are a couple of polls regarding the topics discussed in the threads mentioned above.

Other threads exist, but these two are the primary sources for suggested balancing fixes and changes.

Below are several polls regarding the topics discussed in the threads above. Your input will help gauge community consensus. Since the goal of this thread is to be 100% impartial and just show the community concensus im open to any suggestions for extra polls / changes to existing polls.

Before we begin please note that when I created the thread i made the mistake of not limiting the 1 answer polls (yes / no polls) to one answer, please only select one answer)

Do you consider the Mi-28NM in its current state and battlerating to be unbalanced?

  • Yes
  • No
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Discussion: Explain why you think the Mi-28NM is balanced or unbalanced in top tier.

Do you want the Mi-28 to be moved to a higher battlerating (e.g., 13.0)?

  • Yes
  • No
0 voters

Discussion: Would a higher battlerating make it fairer, or just shift the problem?

Do you consider the AH-64E in its current state and battlerating to be unbalanced?

  • Yes
  • No
0 voters

Discussion: Explain why you think the AH-64E is balanced or unbalanced in top tier.

Do you want the AH-64E to be moved to a higher battlerating (e.g., 13.0)?

  • Yes
  • No
0 voters

Discussion: Would a higher battlerating improve balance or cause other issues?

Do you consider the Z-10ME in its current state and battlerating to be unbalanced?

  • Yes
  • No
0 voters

Discussion: Explain why you think the Z-10ME is balanced or unbalanced in top tier.

Do you want the Z-10ME to be moved to a higher battlerating (e.g., 13.0)?

  • Yes
  • No
0 voters

Discussion: Would a higher battlerating improve balance or just shift the problem?

Do you consider ground SPAA adequate to counter LDIRCM Helicopters in their current state?

  • Yes
  • No
0 voters

Discussion: Are SPAA currently effective against helicopters with LDIRCM, or do they need adjustments?

Do you consider ground SPAA adequate to counter Aircraft with Fire-and-Forget munitions in their current state?

  • Yes
  • No
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Discussion: Should SPAA performance against FnF-capable aircraft be revised (Anti Multipath etc)?

Should spawn cost be raised even further for Fire-and-Forget capable Jets?

  • Yes
  • No
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Discussion: Would higher spawn costs improve top-tier balance?

Do you want NATO Fire-and-Forget Missiles (e.g., Spike, JAGM, PARS) to be revised to have their correct angle of attack?

  • Yes
  • No
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Discussion: Should these missiles behave more like their real-life counterparts?

If given their correct angle of attack, should NATO helicopters only be allowed to carry 8 Fire-and-Forget missiles?

  • Yes
  • No
0 voters

Discussion: How would limiting the loadout affect gameplay balance?

What do you consider to be more important for Fire and Forget Missiles ?

  • The amount of Fire-and-Forget missiles
  • The quality / kill chance of the missile
0 voters

Discussion: Should balance focus on quantity or effectiveness?

Alternatively, do you want the LMUR to get a nerfed angle of attack similar to NATO ATGMs

  • Yes
  • No
0 voters

Discussion: Would this make the LMUR fairer in combat?

Should the LDIRCM found on the Mi-28NM and the AH-64E be remodeled to more closely resemble its real-life counterpart (e.g., certain angles like upper angle not being covered)?

  • Yes
  • No
0 voters

Discussion: Should defense systems be realistic even if it changes gameplay?

Do you want the spawn point cost raised for Fire-and-Forget capable helicopters?

  • Yes
  • No
0 voters

Discussion: Would higher spawn costs improve overall match balance?

Would you support IR-guided Brimstones being added to all Typhoon variants but reducing the count to 6 (similar to other FnF IR missiles carried by planes)?

  • Yes
  • No
0 voters

Discussion: Would this change make Typhoon missiles easier to use without causing more unbalance?

Do you want the spawn point cost for jets with exclusively anti-air weaponry to be reduced?

  • Yes
  • No
0 voters

Discussion: Could this help balance CAS?

Which missiles do you consider to be the strongest Fire-and-Forget missiles on a helicopter chassis? (multipe choice encouraged)

  • LMUR
  • CM-502KG
  • PARS 3 LR
  • AGM-179 JAGM
  • Spike ER
0 voters

Discussion: Explain why you think your choice is superior. Is it range, speed, amount that can be carried, or kill probability?

Would you like to see an overhaul of helicopter radar signatures?

  • Yes
  • No
0 voters

Discussion: Should helicopter radar signatures be revised to better represent their real-life radar cross-section and detectability, potentially affecting how easily they are tracked by radar-guided systems?

Would you like to see a reduction in multipathing for all SAM systems?

  • Current (≈60 m minimum lock altitude)
  • 40 m
  • 20 m
  • 0 m
  • Accurate to the missile’s real-life performance
0 voters

Discussion: What level of multipath reduction would you prefer to see for SAM systems? Reducing the multipath gap could make radar-guided SAMs more reliable against low-flying aircraft and helicopters.

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I think you mixed up the radio buttons and check boxes there…

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Whoever voted no on this should be checked by a licensed professional.

That said, I’ve given my votes and I hope we’ll get 13.0 for helicopters and tanks soon.

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Just noticed that unfortunately i cant seem to edit them anymore :/, hopefully a mod can fix it. This is my first time making a poll thread :)

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I think you allso need to add “Do you want a rework of the GRB/SB mode” (or something similar)… becous most of the newly added vehichles don’t work properly in those small maps and in the game mode in general and that also break any resemblance of balance in the game.

Edit:
Also along with the question bout the remodeling of the LDIRCM you can add one for remodeling of the rotor radar return (or whatever is called), so helis can be countered by ARH missiles.

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I’d just redo the thread, not like many people casted their vote anyways.

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If you could be more precise Ill gladly add the poll.
If you think the issue is small maps then think of solutions for that specific issue to add to the poll :)

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Generally, best way to counter missiles would be the presence of the active protection system on every possible tank.

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LMUR, CM502 and AGM-179(IR) were unnecessary: 28NM, Z-10ME and now 64E already had the tools to combat new SAMs with LDIRCM.

I’d say remove them but it’s not like saying that did anything for the Kh-38.

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I think you’ve failed to cover some of the core issues.

First off, the reason some of these new helis are effective is because the SPAA meant to counter them are in-effective to due game issues.

IIR SAMs cant engage due to the DIRCM (Which you did mention) and this could certainly be worked on but other SAMs that rely upon ARH are also just as affected but instead by Multipathing and the lack of reliable radar signature for heli, especially one in a hover. The combo renders these SAMs just as ineffective.

So remodeling these major aspects would immediately make a difference. Would also improve the effectiveness of CAP as well.

The next issue is one of compression. These new Helis probably should already be higher than 12.3, but the entirety of top tier ground is a compressed mess that really needs an overhaul.

Finally SP costs overall just need to be redone, with factors like quantity included into the SP cost, not just type.

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Rest in peace Sweden and Japan haha

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I think ive covered most things except the radar signature, would you be able to give me a poll titles / questions to add to the thread ? Thanks !

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Bad thread for the simple fact that it is asking if these CAS aircrafts need more SP cost when in reality we need multipath reduced in GRB for SPAA missiles which does not have any poll for that specific solution.

Thread is heavily geared towards solutions for a single top-tier SPAA (SLM) such as reworking LDIRCM while ignoring solutions for multiple top-tier SPAA (Aster, Sky Sabre, Buk, SPYDER, etc) like reducing multipath for the spaa radar missiles.

Poll screams “I’m a German main.”

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Would you like to see an overhaul of helicopter radar signatures?

Would you like to see a reduction in Multipathing for all SAM systems (id have options isntead of yes and no being a specific set of options. i.e, current (60m), 40m, 20m, 0m, accurate to the missile) or something that affect

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Done, I have added the two polls, i hope they are satisfactory.

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Polls related to said Issues have been added. My mistake for Missing it, I generally only play Saclos AAs as i find FnF AA gameplay boring :/

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As someone who voted overwhelmingly yes on these polls, I agree with your talking points and would love to see some change and balancing, in both the BR sense and performance metrics.

I think the cat is out of the bag as far as LDIRCM goes, and hopefully gaijin works with us to get it onto as many nation’s helis as possible, in order to maintain a sense of parity between different heli tech trees and dissuade a one sided meta.

As far as buffs to NATO AGMs, just overwhelmingly agree, they are underperforming and have plenty of sources to argue to contrary.

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Japan has a proposal for an APS and Anti-drone system (including a 30mm rws lmao) to put on top of the type 10s, so we’ll see, as for sweden, yeah they are cooked even with subtree additions

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More voted no for the NMs, and your statement should apply there too

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funnily gaijin tried and epicly failed that on the Mi-28 which is actually the only heli that has blind spots

this is the coverage of the LDIRCM of the Mi-28 looking from the side

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and this is how it should look like:
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so gaijin messed up and mirrored the LDIRCM zone

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