Polish F-16 for Germany, instead of F-4F ICE

Taking single sentences out of context doesn’t make any sense.

The decision to give the F-16 to Japan was equally inadvisable and questionable as this one, just like all the “what if” and paper planes and tanks (of which the German tree was also full).

By the end of the year, they will introduce the first Eurofighters, so it’s just a matter of time.

The recognition of Poland as one of the best armies in NATO at the moment does not mean that Poland should be included as a sub-tree of Germany.

You might as well just say you want the F-16 for Germany too, but at this point, a Greek or Turkish F-16 would also be fine since it doesn’t make much of a difference.

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like i said, thats a no. it was officialy stated to not be close

literaly doesnt matter for anything

did you ingore the part how i said i am against it?
most likely case currently is the swiss F/A 18, sad thing only is no A2G capability at all

Except that indiawas confirmed as a sub nation by some of the community managers iirc.

Which is a almost useless addition. What Germany lacks is a nimble multirole jet like the F-16 with Maverick triple mounts and good A2A capabilities as well.

Its currently just the Tornado without any F&F standoff ordnance and F-4F/Su-22 with just two two F&F missiles air to ground.

from what i heared the f4f ice is doing a good job, since it has the stand off capability but its grb br is still at 11.7. This results in you not actualy meeting the worst of the multi role fighters.
Hell the F4F ice and harrier are propably the best A2A planes in GRB because they get aim 120

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2 is not enough. You need to invest 800 spawn points, just for attacking two potential ground targets. Other jets have 6 Mavericks and still might mount guided bombs. So more than 3 times the strike potential.

Its all about ordnance pieces. P-47 is superior cause you might drop 3 bombs, Bf109 just gets one drop. Thats where the difference is. The ordnance count.

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Depending on which you want to run, the F-16 is still stuck with only 2 of the better AGM-65Gs.

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Changes on AGM-65D made them really potent, currently they are on par with G models in terms of destruction power.

F-16 became the best multirole platform once again.

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Yes, Polish F16 in germany tree would be awesome, +1

The premise of this absurd request is that: Since Poland is a significant member of NATO, it should be represented with an F-16 in the German tech tree".

I didn’t write this nonsense.

Unfortunately, the game has taken a completely negative turn in recent years. Under the guise of playability and balance, significant changes have been made to the fundamentals of the game, even incorporating what-if scenarios and making entirely nonsensical connections. While this could be somewhat acceptable, the problem is that they persist with double standards, favoring certain nations and penalizing others. It would be much better to return to the older, stricter standards because all this balancing leads to bizarre demands.

I understand the objective need for Germany to have a decent or perceived-to-be decent aircraft at top tier, which is also a legitimate aspiration, but it should not be achieved through forced measures as it only fuels this spiral (like the Japanese F-16 syndrome or those asking for a what-if scenario with the Japanese F-14 instead of the F-15). Certain nations made choices based on standardization, budget, or needs, which is completely legitimate. Instead of yet another forced measure, it would have been much better to introduce an early Eurofighter for Germany, Italy, and the UK (only with AIM-120 and AIM-9, no IRIS-T) or a limited-weapon F-2 for Japan rather than a non-existent aircraft.

These are just recent cases, but the history is long. Instead, this trend has been adopted where everyone must have an F-16, everyone must have a Sherman, everyone must have a MiG, etc., etc. Other paths could have been chosen.

last, you’re just complaining (or coping hard) because you don’t have an F-16 or a Gripen in the German tree, and so you’re looking enviously at what your neighbors have, This attitude is not constructive; it only creates resentment. You can’t always complain and cry about things. since years, Germany equals whining. It doesn’t make a good impression.

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Ok, so what do you suggest?

Well, GJ said “no EuFi” and I can understand their position.
F16 was, however, perfectly legit and feasible stop gap measure.
Any other suggestions?

Most likely one being swiss F/A 18

I don’t notice a difference between both. So you ofc use the 65D’s, since it allows you to mount six. Similar to other HEAT ATGMs they got their OP effect back. Even PARS is now back in buisiness.

Other countries get alot tech they never ever used or intended to use. Just to fix gaps. Gajin can be quite creative to justify foreign additions: Subtrees, theoretical blueprint units, mockup prototypes, unfinished units, political or historical connections or just exceptional additons without any justification.

So since several tech trees got saturated with stuff like this, its finally time that Germany also gets some candy to fix the Gen4 jet top tier multirole gap.

Pars was not affected by atgm changes since its below 170mm caliber. If you think it got stronger it is a placebo effect

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Oh… really had the impression it was improved somehow.

Sorry to kill the placebo for you.
Generaly myself i never had problems with pars killing power, since i send 2 missles always normaly.
The locking is the bigger problems on forestry maps

Fun fact spikes arent buffed yet either.
Since only over 170mm atgms got buffed and spikes are exactly 170mm

To be honest, I haven’t really used the 65D after the seek and destroy update, so my experiences were a bit outdated, but before their buffs I would always choose 2x 65G over 6x 65D. However it seems like that has changed with the buffs.

Yeah the swiss 18C in november or (in my opinion more likely) december still seems to be the safest bet to me.

would take the spanish one as well, at least that would have cas ability as well

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i really dont think thats the problem, AKD-10 and AKD-9 are both exactly 170mm as well and received the buff from the beginning, i suspect they just missed them or are holding it back for balancing purposes