Please stop hand crushing Americans

It’s been like this in air since the release of the f14. America has been so handheld its unreal, yet all I ever read is russian bias. Surely everyone here isn’t only playing ground? Aim120 vs everything else was already bad enough last few patches, now with the F15E you have that + a flight model and engines that just outclasses everything. Nobody can climb without dying, russia is forced to mudsuck every match because its not even worth trying to contest a plane that is faster, can climb higher, and has missiles with 3x the effective range. Germany is rotting for 3? Patches in a row now with a fucking phantom as their best plane.

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That’s not entirely true.

There was a prolonged period in between that and AMRAAM’s being added where R27ER oppression basically had everyone ingesting grass into their engines. During which time we seen Gripens become king of the mudfight for a while. Even the French have had their moments in this timespan.

But yes, today, US is living it large, RU is on the weaker end, and Germany rots in the abyss.

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That mainly originates from GRB, where the USSR still has strong MBTs alongside SPAA and AGMs (the KH-38s) that have capabilities which far outclass all other nations.

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Last I checked AIM-120 is not exclusive to US, and is in fact the most prolific ARH in-game.

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USA has never been anything worse than 2nd meta basically… even when they weren’t 1st, and they were often 1st.

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Like I said, ‘’not entirely true’’. Because I don’t want to be disingenuous and imply or suggest that US has ever suffered in recent years - because they categorically have not since… idk… you’d probably have to go back to prime MLD days? But even then, US was not struggling anywhere near as much as others were.

I am just pointing out that the whole ‘US has always been dominant’ narrative isn’t exactly true.

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US hasn’t suffered at any point in recent years. Even during MLD the USA still had the 2nd meta iirc. The F-4E was meta off and on (mostly on) for 2 and a half years by itself

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and then israel is trying its best to pick up the scraps of what the us gets

I would say the MBT thing is a skill issue with newer players not aiming for gun/breach or lfp and hoping they can just tap anywhere and kill a russian mbt. Or still not learning to just aim higher on t80 bvm side aspect and expecting to cleave through the relict there.

Pantsir situation is embarrassing and should not have lasted this long and still is the case for the foreseeable future. Which also makes the strong russian CAS options stronger by supporting them.

People were multipathing before the ER was added. People were multipathing to bamboozle sparrows and R-24’s. I think arguably the phoenix was the big thing seriously cemented the multipath meta. The ER was just the first foreign missile that could realistically slap the Tomkitties that at that point enjoyed a monopoly on permission to climb.

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Reminds me of the 1.5 years of aim7e vs r3r. F4Es swatting anything dumb enough to climb.

Planes are for sure where the US dominates, at least ground rb.

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Looks at USSR with DL on R27 and R73 while AIM7, AIM9L and AIM9M gets nerfed.
I too would like to have AIM7MH, etc.

? What BRs do you think USSR wins in radar missiles? 12-7.13.0 is basically the only area thats true and its only a slight advantage in reality because AIM-7s are still deadly

Not many ussr jets get R-73s at a BR where the jet itself is competitive

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And the rest of the nations are drowning.

Idk, maybe this is an out of touch take, but I think things right now are generally more even than they have been for long periods of top tier through WT’s lifespan.

F-15E/I certainly see US & ISR take a seat on the throne rn. But Gripen is by no means bad for UK, SWE & ITA. Mirage is perfectly serviceable for FRA. CN has J10. F15JM is probably the second best thing for Japan.

I’d say RU has the second least competitive airframes (and R77 being one of the weaker ARH’s doesn’t help), but it’s not like 27SM is unplayable or anything.

It’s only really Germany who legitimately rots right now. For most periods of WT history, the number of countries who were sat in this position of obsolescence was greater than 1.

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Look at every British harrier and any other harrier lol. All the flight performance is incorrect. They have the wrong HUDS. The heat sig is very high and they should have smokeless exhaust.

I got Smthn for this;

Aye for sure but, I mean, that’s a whole other topic / problem with little bearing on top tier ASF balance.

The sea harrier fa2 if fixed could be a really good top tier British jet. I have a k/d ratio of like 1.2 but whenever i see it get played its just sad. Its not able to perform really. especially not with the BOL chaff and flare nerf.

Surprise, the nation with the trillion dollar budget and the 2 buggest airforces in the world has the best aircraft in a semi realistic aircraft game, if this wasnt the case it would be kind of absurd.

The difference between aim 7m and r27er is as big if not bigger than aim120 to r77.