Please Give Us Back the Original Panther II, Flakpanzer 341 "Coelian," and Tiger II 10.5cm KwK

That’s the most delusional statement of the day.

OK, it has a strong rival.
Go back to your la la land and work on your comedy routine.

It’s mentioned in “Professor Porsche’s Wars” by Karl Ludvigsen, that the Maus turret was “Capable of rotating a full 360 deg in only 16 seconds.” that’s 22.5deg/s
This book:
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I don’t currently have a copy handy to scan in the page unfortunately as I borrowed the book to read it.

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Just 1 book with the number wont be enough for a report unfortunately, tho 22,5°/sec would be quite powerfull.

Yeah, that why I didn’t put one in myself on it. If you can get a good deal on that book though it’s a really good read… These hybrid cars we are building now? Porsche was winning races in them in the 1900s!


honestly im fine with a single low ROF gun, but the fucking damage…

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Well…

On the contrary

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which is that? I dont recon having such a machine ingame

It is not, tho it is a capable machine, as effective as Wirbelwind

and it offers 4x30mm cannons which do planes dirty and sometimes manage to get tanks. Standing frontally to the enemy is not that hard tho.
In contrary, the brits offer the worst AA guns but armor OR the truck with ZU-23 which is as easy to kill and even worse to aim.

Okay? So, why does it make those germans bad in any way?
Ostwind 2 still shoots without reload with good damaging rounds, Kugel still offers better protection than any 20-23mm SPAA and at the time has somewhat penetrating belts. Zestorer still does a better barrage than 20mils.

dont know what you talking about, i carry my belowed Wirbel and Kugel and do stuff

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it does not really tho. I had many screenshots of that undamage

These deal super low damage actualy.
Here, have a video:

How does it NOT fuse APHE, if it has the correct amount of armor to do so?
At least Kugel is kinda resistant to .50 cals

They should return to the tech tree in another form, just like mouse tank.

Idk, i usually do desstroy wingsss with a single or two hits, If anything, the R3T20 nowadays does less damage.

its an Ostwng 1 tho.
And it badly injured the plane with a single hit, second one would destroy it tho.

Idk. I always thought its because it had separated turret and hull making APHEs do no damage at all.
I have many times survived both 85 and 122 shots, and i had "hit"s with 122s aswell shooting it. Never understood why but thats how it is.

Ostwind 1 has the same gun as Ostwind 2.
Plane was fine after 2 hits, 3rd hit dealt some damage, plane would still RTB easily. In other words - Ostwind deals super low damage, and 37mm sucks as AA gun in this game, it’s beaten by a single soviet 14.5mm MG.
Soviet 14.5mm armored cwr is way better SPAA than Wirbel as it has a lot longer range and better firepower.

Edit: Ostwind and Wirbel are beaten by double 25mm Milktruck and badly. Milktruck can be strafed but it’s very suicidial due to insane firepower and range that German 30 and 37mm cannons can’t rival.

But it has ONE gun :/

i didnt notice more than one hit

it did great damage practically removing the ability to fly fast and maneuver from the plane. Exact same hit with 14.5 AP shot fron the BTR wouldnt remove the flightability from a plane, therefore that is nonsence.

Tho FOUR of them doing 20 hits at the same time would likely do more damage. The BTRs are also good spaas, thats no doubt. But then the BTR would reload, making it vulnerable.

Im not saying that ostwind 1 is a great spaa, i agree that its as bad as soviet trucks with 37mil. But two of such cannons create a better barrage. Therefore that example is practically false advertising

it does not really tho. All of those SPAA become pretty useless at ranges greater than 1-1.2 kilometer, and the efficiency of Ostwind 2 is usually better at bigger distances as its shots bleed less energy than 14.5 machinegun shots.
The fast-fire cannons are greater at closer distances tho.

Ok, you are a blatant liar/troll.
Welcome to the ignore list forever, ciao.

wow, you people are as soft as cotton. And somehow end up on forums. Living inside bubbles really led to people forget what adequate discussion really looks like.

Well, Flakpanzer 341 is really good. Probably the best German unit, currently. Considering its an almost completed prototype, just with wooden turret, It should be reintroduced for everyone. It would absolutely revive Germany 7.0 BR bracket. More players etc etc
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Same for this one. Why was this removed again? Two protoypes finished. Its not really good, I never play this one. Too bulky and too slow. Useless for all these small cqc maps. But I don’t get why it was removed, especially with that dull reasoning (balance).
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When I check WT, we have far worse units in regular TTs. Which were paper blueprints 100%. Also vehicles, which never had working main guns and were just partially real. Special treatment of Germany should finally end. Either you remove all questionable units or you keep them ingame. Its not exactly fair how its currently handled.

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Because gaijin.
Thy there’s one thread on that forum that makes that reason not as dull. People really are struggling with Maus in different ways, especially when there’s alot of them. So it may or may not be as dull as you think

Sounds to me its not completed tho
If the turret, literaly the only thing that makes it differ with Panther, was never completed (did they finish cannons at least?) that makes that prototype practically useless

With same logic, there are many machines that had “hull” finished or the turret finished, but never vent complete.

yak 141 shouldnt exist yet it does its a unfinished prototype people arguing against the Real panther 2 being added with its actual turret are just hating on germany getting something to fill there line up as they have zero medium tanks for 6.7

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well not that it was unfinished


it just got the ammunition (or was that a radar? Im not sure as i dont play planes as much) that was never tested, but intended, to use on it. The plane itself was fully built and fully functional, so its not like its the same - Panther 2 only had a hull, never got finished turret and cannon mount.

Thy they argue not about that?
If that`s the thread to add the Panther 2 with Panther G turret i’d easilly agree. But they ask for a hull without a turret

6.7 is a playground of best heavy tanks of the time tho. Why bother when have King Tiger, Jagdtiger, Ferdinand?

Also panther 2 is 7.0, and it fills no lineup if you dont own the tiger 105 and the spz106