Please Give Us Back the Original Panther II, Flakpanzer 341 "Coelian," and Tiger II 10.5cm KwK

Aye, the “real” Ho-Ri, I’m betting, would likely be around 6.0-6.3 if that assuming they give it the gun the Ho-Ri’s have in game. The Ka-To would be neat, though. Sort of a Japanese counterpart to the Su-100P and probably around the same BR.

Aye, and that in part, is my issue with the Ostwind II. Gaijin gave us a vehicle that already is very dubious, and yet they chose to give us the testbed of a similar project with about the same nature while claiming that their vehicle is THE Zerstorer 45

The gun is different between the Ho-Ris. I haven’t used the Prototype’s, but the one on the Production is VERY punchy. I don’t think it’d be 6.3 though, the Jagdpanther and Ferdinand used to be there with far better armor and a faster reload (both unfairly moved IMO). I don’t know what the armor on the casemate would be, but the hull was unchanged and even kept the hull-mounted 37mm.

As for the Ka-To, it’s largely the same chassis as the Na-To (much taller than the SU-100P) except now it has an actual turret and a much better gun. It would definitely be higher BR.

I’d have to know which gun they’d get to really say where they belong as it makes a pretty big difference:

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Production
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The extra velocity really lets you be a threat to more things even though it’s the same shell since it meets a few ‘breakpoints’, critical for the role these unarmored TDs would take.

They should have given it a proper name like “Mobelwagen mit 3cm Flakvierling” and it would have been more welcomed than it was. Instead we had a new source of entertainment both here on the forum and in the bug report site of gaijin-affiliated people hopelessly trying to justify it.

better remove them from all players (maybe compensation but germains do not need it, really)

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The issue with that is giving gaijin the green light to remove vehicles from player inventory.

Currently, they dont even remove vehicles that you cant use. (I emailed about removing a coupon i cant use/sell and they said they dont do that)

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regarding P II id wait a few days… maybe youll see an interesting new thread

Which source?

hm, why can’t you use a coupon ?

I got a coupon for a vehicle i already own. Cant use it and cant sell it.

Whichever book they had that mentioned a side-by-side two gun Ostwind. I forget which one it was, been ages since I seen it. Maybe it will be in the original Ostwind 2 devblog.

The Flakpanzer 341 was supposed to have newly developed 37mm cannons.
Higher velocity and belt fed.

The current 37mm cannons on the Ostwind II simply can’t be mounted side by side since they use side ejecting ammunition frames.

So the current Ostwind II was entirely modeled by imagination.

Maybe if the guns would be flipped 90° on their side, with the frames getting ejected downwards, like on a Bofors, it could be possible.

At the moment it uses the same guns as the Ostwind 2, and has identical stats to the Ostwind’s.

I am aware they could not be used side by side but they have the shipping manifest that says one was delivered. I have seen hypothesis that the description is wrong/confused with something else and it actually used the existing twin 37mm mount:

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But of course evidence either way is pretty much nonexistent.

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Wow. Good call. Who is your insider?

It doesn’t shock me that Gaijin is finally removing the R2Y2s. It is, in my opinion, very good that they added the “their is no plans to EVER BRING THEM BACK” bit. They should have stated that in the German DevBlog too- but I guess they are stating it now because they learned their lesson from that one.

If you look at the Devblog for the German vehicles, (the changes came in update 1.91-), their removal is completely justified by an earlier post (as well as the Devblog for their removal) by gaijin about the removal and editing of fake vehicles in game, a response from a QnA.

Anyway. Still want to know who your inside source is. Thanks.

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Haha ur giving me too much credit.
The thread i was talking about is still to come. Although japan had this a long time coming.

Alright well… good to know.

When the thread comes out though understand I’m gonna grill you for how you knew.

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They had said several times in the past that the R2Y2s would be removed someday. The Thai subtree confirmed it.

What does this mean? Lol

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No clue Hehe.
Maybe I’ll remember in a few days

Something about p II? lol

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Honestly. I support this. I think they should be attainable in some form or another. Something similar to the Maus. Maybe as a reward for spading everything in the late war German rank, including the Maus; you could unlock them to research. It’d filter most people out, and tie it in with the Maus, but give the option to have them for competitionists…

If anyone here played World of Tanks, a system like the Collector Vehicles shop would be really nice for this.

I know people will argue day and night that “No, we should never add these back!” But I always have a feeling that the people who argue these points, are the ones who have these vehicles to begin with. It’s easy for them to say that, you know?

Idk, go ahead and lock these behind a quest sort of thing where you have to complete ridiculous amount of objectives/achievements with steep requirements – just make them attainable again to the people who want them.

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Yes, but its the fact he called it three days before and not 3 months. I am aware they were going to be removed- as was everyone most people. I just didn’t think it would be so soon.