Ho-Ri does not meet current standards for a vehicle and would have been removed already if Japan wasn’t so strapped for vehicles at that BR.
As for the track link, no. The real Ho-Ri had 5 examples partially built (none are known to survive); you’re thinking of the O-I which was built, tested, and then scrapped/thrown into a lake. Of it, only a track link has survived.
Panther 2 is also entirely fictional in its current (removed) configuration.
Ostwind 2 very likely existed, just in a slightly different configuration. The source that gaijin is using specifically states 2 guns side by side though.
It could be argued one R2Y2 V1 was in construction at the end of the war, I believe I’ve seen a photo or two of what seems to be its fuselage.
I don’t know why they made the F-16AJ when the XF-2A prototype used a mechanical radar and had weapons appropriate for the AJ’s BR.
It’s an early Panther hull. The hull MG uses a retractable ‘door’ instead of a ball mount.
Honestly, they should really consider replacing the TT one with the actual Ho-Ri. I suppose they could leave the premium one in, though.
Ostwind II is honestly a tough one because, on the one hand, there’s allegedly a shipping manifest that mentions a twin-gun Ostwind. On the other hand, Hillary Doyle (who has the Ostbau Sagan papers) has stated unequivocally that the thing was little more than a late-war German pipe dream they lacked the capability to build—Ditto with the Zerstorer 45.
If that’s the photo I’m thinking of, it’s just an R2Y1. The V1 was in the design phase but hadn’t been fully designed.
All that said, I don’t see the issue with paper stuff. I’ll be honest. The only things I’d be super iffy on are stuff that wasn’t finalized or in an advanced design stage. That said, I would still prefer finalized designs that just weren’t built for one reason or another. So in essence, Ostwind II and a real Zerstrorer 45 would be fine by me, ditto with the 341, a Panther II with a 7.5 (could even add in the American Panther II with G turret), and the real Ho-Ri
The ‘real’ Ho-Ri would be nothing like the current ones. It was a mostly unmodified Chi-Ri hull with a superstructure on top, and a high velocity 105mm gun - not sure if this would be either of the guns from the in-game Ho-Ris or an entirely new one. It would receive a much lower BR, and half of japan’s 7.3 tanks would be gone.
I’m okay with that, though. They can add the also partially-built Ka-To which would have a similar gun as above, just not sure which.
The issue with the Zerstorer’s current implementation is that the vehicle we got and the vehicle that was named “Zerstorer 45” are two completely different things. We got the Mobelwagen testbed vehicle, while the real Zerstorer 45 would have been a Wirbelwind lookalike.
Whichever way you look at it, we didn’t get THE Zerstorer 45.
Perhaps, but if I recall the cutouts in the fuselage were different from the other R2Y1s, and that’s where the suspicion comes from. I’m not too fussed about them though.
I’d be down for things like the jet-powered J7W2 or a ‘finalized’ turbosupercharged XP-72 being added just because they would be cool as hell. But those were planned modifications of existing aircraft (with existing/easy to source parts) and not entirely new designs, which I think is a fair line to make.
As it stands, gaijin is against it however. Maybe one day if they run out of vehicles to add.
Aye, the “real” Ho-Ri, I’m betting, would likely be around 6.0-6.3 if that assuming they give it the gun the Ho-Ri’s have in game. The Ka-To would be neat, though. Sort of a Japanese counterpart to the Su-100P and probably around the same BR.
Aye, and that in part, is my issue with the Ostwind II. Gaijin gave us a vehicle that already is very dubious, and yet they chose to give us the testbed of a similar project with about the same nature while claiming that their vehicle is THE Zerstorer 45
The gun is different between the Ho-Ris. I haven’t used the Prototype’s, but the one on the Production is VERY punchy. I don’t think it’d be 6.3 though, the Jagdpanther and Ferdinand used to be there with far better armor and a faster reload (both unfairly moved IMO). I don’t know what the armor on the casemate would be, but the hull was unchanged and even kept the hull-mounted 37mm.
As for the Ka-To, it’s largely the same chassis as the Na-To (much taller than the SU-100P) except now it has an actual turret and a much better gun. It would definitely be higher BR.
I’d have to know which gun they’d get to really say where they belong as it makes a pretty big difference:
Prototype
Production
The extra velocity really lets you be a threat to more things even though it’s the same shell since it meets a few ‘breakpoints’, critical for the role these unarmored TDs would take.
They should have given it a proper name like “Mobelwagen mit 3cm Flakvierling” and it would have been more welcomed than it was. Instead we had a new source of entertainment both here on the forum and in the bug report site of gaijin-affiliated people hopelessly trying to justify it.
Whichever book they had that mentioned a side-by-side two gun Ostwind. I forget which one it was, been ages since I seen it. Maybe it will be in the original Ostwind 2 devblog.
I am aware they could not be used side by side but they have the shipping manifest that says one was delivered. I have seen hypothesis that the description is wrong/confused with something else and it actually used the existing twin 37mm mount:
But of course evidence either way is pretty much nonexistent.
It doesn’t shock me that Gaijin is finally removing the R2Y2s. It is, in my opinion, very good that they added the “their is no plans to EVER BRING THEM BACK” bit. They should have stated that in the German DevBlog too- but I guess they are stating it now because they learned their lesson from that one.
If you look at the Devblog for the German vehicles, (the changes came in update 1.91-), their removal is completely justified by an earlier post (as well as the Devblog for their removal) by gaijin about the removal and editing of fake vehicles in game, a response from a QnA.
Anyway. Still want to know who your inside source is. Thanks.
