Wasn’t the actual quote even worse where you suggested not only the Panzer IV, but also the Tiger 1 as a valid counter to an M18 in an anti-flanking roll, as if those somehow had the speed to do so
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The quote is exactly like you wrote with a single edit and looks like im not the only one here can remember your stupid trolling attempts now is time to go back to your cave.
The problem with your contention here is that Germans at 5.X were already very strong long before these events…what is going on now has little bearing with that.
The whole reason people would be moving to use vehicles like the Panther A or Jagdpanther for the events is because they’re known to be strong from previous experiences.
Those uptiers have been a long time coming: most of these BRs are where the same vehicles used to be…and given that armor strength has improved in the same time, there’s little to fret about.
As @ID_Heaven correctly noted, maps are small and the actual potential of speed differentials is throttled as a result.
Armor and armament is generally a more useful combination than something that gives up everything for a few MPH more that amounts to a few moments to a site quicker.
Between that, hard cover and corridors, the meta favors heavier (though not the heaviest) vehicles over lightweights that fixate on mobility alone.
LMAO, i remeber that too and how they said the stabilizers are overhyped, L/43 can overperform the soviet 85 or how the CAS is fine…
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middle Pz4 gun? Not bad not terrible but with same pen 85mm have more tnt and better sloped perfomance, so 85mm is much beetter, But it just on different br ranges
the best things in shermans
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The actual quote was a relative description of how the Panzer IV G functions in uptiers around 6.X…and it was entirely correct.
FD lied about what was said with fake quote because he couldn’t argue with what I’d actually said (deep down, he knows it’s true lol).
As for the other bit: from memory, I don’t think the Tigers weren’t mentioned in that post but then they didn’t have to be either.
The anti-flanker role is very simple and a place were speed is largely irrelevant anyway. As long as you hug the side of the map and let whatever lighter weight enemy is flanking you get ahead of you, you can counter the flanker by turning their flanking attempt into a frontal fight.
A few MPH or a being little offsides won’t change that, which is why the speed disparity isn’t much to talk about and why just about anything besides the most ungainly vehicles (read: T28, Maus, etc.) can be used as anti-flankers).
‘A single edit’ lmao
You edited out a huge chunk of theg post and the context…yes, you deleted it all in one go. It’s still phony though–you faked it.
Lastly: understanding the game and the relativity of engagements/vehicles in it better than you do isn’t trolling…it’s just how I deal, sorry.
Maybe you’re still sore about that time I outsniped your Panther F with my M4A3 on Berlin (a couple of well placed 76mm shells to the turret through windows across the map), I don’t know haha.
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I won’t lie, I fail to see what old drama, the BR of Panthers and highly mobile tanks have to do with the M26 which is none of those things…
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It ssems that most of players forget what we have in BR 6.7, the panther II
m26 dont outperform panthers very high but 0.7 br higer, this how is started. then “M26 have reverse so more mobile and must be higher” and so and so
Ole Flak_Dancer must be sore and reminiscing about all the forum discussions he lost out on…
In reality, what I’d actually said was:
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that hype of stabilizers was overblown (at the time they were being howled about by German players as wildly ‘OP’ basically)
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the Soviet 85mm was pointed out as proliferating much later than the similar KwK40, which came around far earlier
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the CAS situation was proven to be quite mundane by kill share data
I’m not sure why FD is still so sore about arguments he lost years ago, but he is.
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long 88, rangefinder, 120mm glacis. 60mm side, has normal reverse, 900HP = M26. Tottaly fair
I can’t wait the BR change coming, My 6.7 german squad is ready for hunting these new suffer.
But we have M18 team to destroy you all in suicidal attack after you just leaving spawn
The problem with your contention here is that Germans at 5.X were already very strong long before these events…what is going on now has little bearing with that.
They’ve been competitive, never anything more… and most of that is derived from a stacked lineup of a Panther, Panther, Panther, Tiger, Tiger, Nashorn, Waffentrager, PZ IV/70, VK 3002, Wirbelwind, Ostwind, Ostwind ll whilst also being able to pick from a number of 109s, 190s, Me 410s, Do 335s.
All this at a BR where people can actually unlock a lineup in a reasonable time span and willing to do so.
Individually none of those vehicles are spectacular, a Tiger 1 certainly does not deserve to fight an IS-3, Panthers are not easy to play either with horrible turret traverse rates, lacking armor from all angles except front, no reverse speed, massive barrels that are trivial to destroy because they stick out meters in front of the tank and hitting the muzzle break means you destroy the entire barrel, whilst hitting the lower glacis destroy the gearbox and starts fires and being a massively profile you cannot hide behind anything and it’s easy to hit at range.
Tiger isn’t even worth talking about, it’s an excessively mediocre vehicles.
Nashorn and Waffentrager don’t survive more than 2 minutes once planes are up either.
It’s half the reason Russian top tier has always dominated, bias aside, which does exist, they’ve had insanely stacked lineups with identical vehicles that make it extremely easy to use, opposed to go from playing a Panther > Nashorn > Pz. IV 70 which have very differing playstyles.
And again, anyone thinking it’s a good idea to take your data from a period of time with 2 large events and a major update in the middle of it whilst having even the slightest idea of how these events play out should mean these people should be banned from ever looking at statistics ever again.
You don’t take statistics from the covid pandemic period either to make observations and changes in 2023 regarding average hospital occupancy rates, it’s clearly not a representative period.
Armor and armament is generally a more useful combination than something that gives up everything for a few MPH more that amounts to a few moments to a site quicker.
Between that, hard cover and corridors, the meta favors heavier (though not the heaviest) vehicles over lightweights that fixate on mobility alone.
Difference often isn’t a few MPH, and the meta 100% favors the lightweight vehicles, especially the ones without a hull because they just won’t die… a milktruck is one of the strongest vehicles in the game.
The ease of which a T-34 can cruise through a town and making turns allows them to very easily flank enemy teams in an urban environment, a Panther is fast in a straight line but does not carry any momentum through corners, making them very vulnerable in CQC environments, something a Panther is not designed to do, neither is the Tiger.
maps are small and the actual potential of speed differentials is throttled as a result.
Germany has vehicles designed for long range combat, so this does not work in their favor.
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Your 6.7 German squad is ready to get dunked on by 7 to 7.7 Russia and Germany as has been the case since the last attempts at 'decompression.
If BR changes were halted due to proximity with/tenure of events, we’d pretty much never get BR adjustments.
I understand what your general point is (and would even be inclined to agree with it in some cases), there just isn’t a chance to really do what you propose without halting adjustments altogether.
I’ll say ‘experiences differ’ and leave it at that.
The Tiger Is shouldn’t face IS-3s naturally either.
Maps’ small sizes, corridors and hard cover as well as artificially predictable objectives really downplay this versus what you’re thinking on it.
Urban maps are much better for German tanks than what many think of them as.
I didnt touched anything that is excatly how you wrote in the forum LOL.
Good for you, i cant remember if i kill you or not in the game.
And you keep lying…
