I understand that perfectly. Im just saying I just dont see point in such argument. Obviously being filler nation sucks.
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I am completely fine with how non-tech tree, non-subtree nations are being treated.
Not all nations can be fully represented and at the end of the day, this is just a game and you have the ability to slap flags and in many cases other markings as well on your vehicles and pretend that they are operated by your favourite nation.
I can understand your point of view, but I just really don’t think it’s a problem that is worth getting upset about.
Maybe one day we get the tech tree folders that many of use are wanting to see, but until then, it is what it is
While I agree generally, theres a case for Canada and Australia being treated differently since they are already implemented at relatively large scale when compared to other non official sub TT nations.
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I guess just the forlorn hope that then might actually stop and think that “Ohh wait, maybe that would suck to have happen to me”
Frankly I would prefer Gaijin properly put Australia in a TT even if they only added our unique stuff I would trade the AIM for having stuff like the CAC Kangaroo and the Avon Sabers any day.
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I actually think Gains treatment of Canada recently has been pretty good.
I like the solution of giving their vehicles to both the US and British tree.
Again, for me it’s just that I would highly prefer the British tree to not become a dumping ground for low effort export additions or another case like France and Italy where the Leopards got added because Gaijin can’t be bothered to properly model and buff the Leclercs and Arietes…
I am looking forward to seeing the CF-100, CF-105, a Sabre (I don’t remember if the one Britain operated was a Canadair or CAC one) and other such domestic Commonwealth vehicles.
See, I wholly agree with that.
The Canadian Arrow, Canucks and Sabres (Britain actually operated some for a short time) and the Australian Avon Sabres and Kangaroo would be awesome.
Similarly I would love to see the remaining Australian cruiser tanks and stuff like the Staghound Tulip.
It is unfortunate that Gaijin decided to add India as a subtree, Australia and/or Canada would have been much better fits, but now that the tree is doomed to get Soviet/Russian and French equipment, the tree shouldn’t get bloated with German and US exports as well.
I think we all can agree that it is better to get a unique Australian or Canadian vehicle every now and then than to get more boring glorified copy paste from another tree, right?
Outside of a new tree, like a CAN-ANZAC one. The UK tree is 100% where Canadian vehicles should be, unless we get a CAN-ANZAC tree. Heck, the entire reason that the project started was because we are sick of our current treatment and being told to be happy our tech isn’t added for us. It just comes with the bonus of dealing with each nation’s weakness.
With the ADATS and CF-188 in the UK, and everything points to domestic commonwealth equipment going to the UK, so all Canadian LAVs(as it is a Canadian family) and, in turn, ANZAC ones as well. That just leaves a Canadian line-up missing an MBT, so asking for a 2A6M CAN(Germany can even get the 2A6M at the same time (they have different MGs)), at least (even if I’d like the C1/C1 (MEXAS)/C2 as well), shouldn’t be crazy when everything else exists, or is likely to exist in the same tree. The C2 (MEXAS) and 2A4M CAN joining the UK would be nice, but unlikely for the event vehicle one (see- FIN KV-1B) (C2A1 is a FAL), but the Leo 2 could be duped, as it has happened to Canadian vehicles with even less relation to the new host tree compared to anything Canadian and the UK.
After all, the US has two Skinks more than they even considered testing, all because they cried loud enough. The fact that it took them getting that for the UK to get a vehicle, it was one of 3 oporator nations of, was the worst part. Well, the US for years had the vehicle under a paper name that referred to the Ram I post testing (they didn’t have any Ram tanks by the time the name was used, and the post was late, and was still just called Ram II in everything I see for that one). All because “it used US-made parts”.
If we were to remove all Canadian things, the US connection to is weak, or non-existent. We’d be left with the 5th CAD Stuart, and that has one of the strongest cases to be C&P/moived to the UK tree. And in the case of the Leo 2A4M CAN, that when first added was covered in Canadian-UK symbolism(between the original decal and title), with only the fact that it was a Leo having anything to do with Germany. That leaves the C2 (MEXAS) as the only one that doesn’t have some connecting it to the UK if it didn’t belong in another tree, but if everything else has reason to go to the UK, then so should it.
It’s hard to look forward to Canadian stuff when you can’t use them together in the LINE-UP BASED GAME. Much less the fact that the majority of domestic stuff being event vehicles or other forms of unobtanium, with the extremely high likelihood of the CF-105 ending up a russian event vehicle (and that being the only one to come, even if both marks are WT possible)
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Based on what lmao
I have long maintained that the UK should have the Commonwealth Realms as sub-trees while the Republics form an independent tree.
As long as it’s under a single TT, as I see it:
If a vehicle is to be added under the Australian flag it should be under the same TT as every other vehicle under the Australian flag.
If that means less Australian vehicles are added overall that’s fine, having a cammo on another nations vehicle that we used is one thing, but being used to justify the addition of random vehicles like the AIM, when the USA uses M1A1 AIM and M1A1 SA that are identical.
Just add the USA ones and bugger off, the CAN LEOs are unique mods made for Canada and should be added to a Canada TT, where ever that goes, same with the Aussie unique stuff like the CAC planes.
It fells a lot more respectful to only have your unique stuff represented in a single TT then to have every piece of junk have your flag pasted on it and be past around like a cheap whore to every other nation in the game that some random game dev decides is your “better”.
That’s just plain insulting. And that’s how CAN and AU are being treated currently.
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Yeah that is weird. It really serves no purpose at that point anymore when a US M1A1 AIM could’ve done the exact same thing, even got an Australian unlockable camo, without actually splitting the nation in any meaningful way.
Really makes me wonder why they did it in the first place. I thought it’s a variant the US didn’t have, but if they did there’s no reason to add the Australian one here in the first place.
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I don’t know why they did it either, but that one and the 2A4CAN are the most obvious signs that Gaijin doesn’t seem to want Australia and Canada to be subtrees.
I think even the Mexas had alternatives that weren’t Canadian, but Gaijin chose that one anyways.
I remember someone telling me that the AIM was needed to give the US an Abrams with better thermals at the time of it’s release, but afaik the M1A1SA is mostly the same, just with an export turret.
Neither of them were operated by the US as far as I can tell, however the USMC M1A1 FEP apparently was basically the same as the M1A1SA, just using a USMC Abrams, rather than an export one.
USAs AIM is AIM v2 and is identical to the SA the only difference to the Aussie AIM is Gen 3 DU array which is mostly a multi hit survivability upgrade.
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Conspiracy: maybe because of nothing but ‘disable the option about Aussie Subtree to UK’ and ‘make Aussie/CAN as forever duct-tape to US/GER/UK’
Because Gaijin hates brits and commonwealth /j
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Ah, aight
Makes sense
The real bias
Anti-Britain Bias
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Feels less like a conspiracy and more like the truth.
Considering Australia and Canada have vehicle numbers in-game equal to or more than many sub-trees, which just makes it all that much clearer how bad the current treatment is. So bad, in fact, even Reddit has heard our dislike and has begun pushing back against splitting a nation, and that the place that goes “varints = C&P” even after going through 3 nations’ worth of modifications.
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Brits and Japs, although they where pretty close until after WW1… Hmmm I need to go get out the tin foil…
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That’s pretty damn cool to know TBH, it’s been a very long time since I’ve looked properly at the vehicles floating about in the game.
You and I both mate.
Technically they’ve got literally every other piece of aussie kit bar the AIM so it does make sense to be there.
There are about 20 Aussia vehicles, 19 of which are in the British tree.
There are nearly as many vehicles as entire subtrees yet they deny its addition for absolutely no reason.
There are more aussie vehicles than swiss in game for example yet switzerland is allowed ot be a sub tree yet Australia isn’t?
Hell there are 18 canadian vehicles as well cutting around.
Only 13 or so from the benelux tree as well.
A mere 23 south african vehicles in total, compared to the 40 odds nearly with hungary and such.
The list goes on of nonsense which they don’t justify, make up some BS excuse and just move on.
There’s only 7 indian vehicles in game last I checked as well which is ridiculous.
what about the aussie vampires and such? they should already be in Britain.
Also the CF100 and Cf105 where made when canada was apart of the british empire and what not so it would and should go to Britain as a designated place for them.
Same with the saber.
Did they not already state they plan to add commonwealth kit to the British tree, hence the addition of the canadian F18 and such. I do distinctly remember that cropping up breifly on the thread a while ago about the addition of the sub trees to Isreal and what not.
Also why did china get the M1A2T if the british tree couldn’t get the AIM which the US also have a version of?
Well, news about it came a bit earlier than the Israel sub-tree stuff(that was the CM post for the update after) during the “commonwealth update” for the UK (Horents, Ram I, operator nations fixes, etc.). They dissolved the ZA line and made it the gun-only light line, well also making line 2 for Vickers/Export and Commonwealth MBTs. (Big reason why the ask for Canadian and ANZAC MBTs has had a renewed want over the last number of months, beyond just unhappy Canadian’s and Australian’s wanting to use their stuff together. Along with the fact India has at best 11.X options and even then I’ve seen stuff saying they don’t exist, so an MBT that is not a Challenger 2 can only come for those two)
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