I would agree, but its not just the T-62 going up, but pretty much everything is going up in BR, so the T-62’s are literally going to fight the exact same thing along with a couple new tanks in a full uptier
I would only agree to the light vehicles mentioned as well as the STA’s and type 61. The M46 is pretty fine where it is right now whilst the M47 barely gets played because it’s a folder vehicle. The M48 should go up if it’s comparable vehicles the T-54 1949 and Centurion mk 3 are moving up in br.
The Su-122-54 is a very interesting vehicle and is very hard to really balance due to being a late tank destroyer just like all the other late tank destroyers in the Swedish and German tech trees although most of those are at much lower br’s. The vehicle had gone down in br only about a year or so ago due to the nature of balancing tank destroyers in war thunder.
Here another important thought as to why removing M900 and M829a1 from the IPM1 and M1A1 instead of moving them up in BR. If you move them up in BR to 11.0 like proposed, then the US players will not have really any effective line ups between 9.0-11.0 without players having access to either past event vehicles or premium vehicles. Seems kind of silly that one of the bigger nations in game would have such a HUGE gap in their tech tree at the top.
i don’t understand why rocket SPAAs are getting uptiered. The air tree remains at same BRs, they are made to counter it. Do you think CAS is underpowered?
Please refrain from raising the BR of Ozelot and Strela
OF-40 (MTCA) and Leopard I can stay where they are. I think OF-40 needs some better ammo or thermals to go up. Leo, I can get stabilayzers to raise the rating.
Italian tanks, or all small tech trees in general, have less the same BR rank. In my oppinion they usually need equal tanks. Soo… I want to propose some kind of new system for tech trees.
The system can be like this: For example, italy and germany tanks can be in the same line or can be used in line up of other country. Think of it like a country colabratinon. USA can play whit Israel’s tanks. Japan + Sweden, Germany + Italy ect.
This can help lots off stuff like matchmaking problems or equality of nations too.
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Attempt number 1725382538362835, BR changes number 6363836:
For Simulation:
MB.5 from 4.7 to 6.0
Reason: it’s absolutely a monster and not a single plane can catch it when its flown correctly. Unlike Wyvern, MB.5 can climb and perform excellent at high altitude. Im tired of getting easy kills and i feel dirty on flying something completely broken.
P47 D28:
From 4.3 to 5.0:
Reason: plane has bad stats because US pilots are like chimps with sticks trying to get some termites but the plane is by far superior to 4.7 FW-190A5. It performs great at high altitude and its fast. In good hands that plane cant be at 4.3.
FW-190 A1:
From 3.3 to 3.7:
Reason: same case like P47 D28, that plane is by far way too superior to most allied planes at 3.3.
Ki-61-I Otsu
From 3.3 to 3.7:
Reason: great fire power and performance overall. Superior than most 3.3 planes.
Mustang MK1A
From 4.0 to 4.7:
Reason: after the last flight model change that plane is at same level than FW-190A5 if not better. Top speed, performance overall and firepower should be enough reason to move it to 4.7
I know we wont get any of these changes so im going to save this exact same text for attempt number 1725382538362836 next year.
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Some more suggestions:
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Please raise the Top BR for ground from 11.7 to 12.0, and adjust the BR of those vehicles that above BR 10.0.
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ATGM carrier, I mean those in game need to use keyboards rather than mouse to control the missiles are hard to use. Please reconsider the BR changes on these vehicles.
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Some vehicles, like AMX-32 (105)&AMX-32 and T-72B&72B(1989), they may share the same chassis but have obvious differences. However in this BR changes, they sit at the same BR, that’s a little bit confusing. Please consider how to differ them.
e.g. buff the reload speed on AMX-32 (105). -
M60A3 TTS, M60A3 TTS (CHINA) and CM11 will be at the same BR at 9.0, but those three tanks’ firepower have a huge difference. Please consider how to differ them.
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For Leopard 2 Prototypes (Leopard 2K, PT-16/T-14 and Leopard 2AV), I would suggest:
Remove the DM23 on Leopard 2K and PT-16/T-14 to let them stay at 9.7;
Replace the ammunition on Leopard 2AV with the same ammunition used by XM1 (the reason is simple, this is the one which uses 105mm gun, and it was sent to the US to compete with XM1, both of them used the same round in history), and stay at 9.7
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i think the m1a1 should go to 11.0 and ipm1 stay at 10.7 (nerfed if it needs to be) just so there is at least progression and because a 105 at 11.0 seems crazy
Simulator Battle BR change recommendations:
MiG-23ML is the only MiG-23 variant at 11.0 in sim, that’s kinda busted as its a premium. There’s the MiG-23 MLA which is identicle to it in every way except the loadout restriction of carrying mixed R-24T/R variants and the weight of the aircraft (Which differs by about 1%). The MiG-23M tech tree aircraft is 11.0 too but it is far inferior to the ML in just about every way.
F-4J(UK) on the other hand sits at 11.3, despite being inferior to the brittish phantoms because it doesn’t get the upgraded engines that the tech tree ones get, and it also does not have AIM-7Fs that the F-4J (US) and F-4S gets…
Su-25T: With the Su-39 being at the same BR but with a radar, there isn’t any reason for owners of the premium to grind the tech tree inferior variant. SB isn’t like RB, where situational awareness is the first step to winning and lacking the radar makes the Su-25T far inferior. It could possibly go down to 11.0 imo.
F-4 EJ Kai vs Kurnass 2000: The Kurnass 2000 is superior to the F-4 EJ Kai, so the japanese one shouldn’t be above the kurnass in BR.
F-4S/J (US): While I wouldn’t say its a bad aircraft, the lack of IFF makes it a rather difficult aircraft to fly for most people. I personally don’t have a problem with it because I’m a veteran with experience, but most other players would struggle with this plane. It could possibly go down to 11.0
Mirage IIIC, IIIE: In the current BR compressed meta, they too aren’t exactly up to scratch. The IIIC has no RWR nor countermeasures, and the mirage III platform in general lacks performance. All it has going for it is speed and high AoA capability for those niche moments, but on average it still performs much worse than other jets.
Jaguar A: This is better than the British jaguars and the mitsubishi F-1, so it only makes sense it should be 10.3 at least.
MiG-27K/M: As BRs only matter for air EC mode at the moment and not ground battles, these jets could use a reduction in BR as they aren’t competitive in air battles.
Spitfire LF mk 9 (150 octane variants): This plane far outperforms most planes at its BR of 5.0. The only logical reasoning why its stats are terrible is that all of the spitfires are twitchy with stick controls. But if that was the case for it being 5.0, it makes no sense why the far inferior spitfire mk 9 is only 0.3 lower and why the Vc is also 5.0 just because it carries 2 extra hispanos instead of machineguns.
Seafire mk 3, 17, FR 47: Nobody flies these because they’re so high BR with such lacking performance. They seriously need a lower BR.
J7W1: One of the worst performing “super props” in the game in general shouldn’t be matched up at 5.7. It could even be 4.7 with its current performance and it would still be mediocre due to its cockpit, handling, energy retention, climb rate and other traits - trust me on that.
Ta-152H, C: The Ta-152C is perhaps one of the worst performing "super prop"s in the game, and sim does not have a meta of using HVAP rounds on ground targets due to the difficulty of doing vertical attacks with stick controls and the lack of air spawn.
P-51C: This plane is actual legit better than the P-51D-5. I reckon it should move up to 4.3 for the time being
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The Lorraine sits there because its in a minor tree. Look at the XM-1 sitting at 9.3, beating everything up to 10.3 in mobility, but it is so low because its shell isnt as good, even though with that mobility, it should easily get side shots. But it is in a major tree so mobility doesn’t do much.
The M60s have armor that can occasionally bounce some shots, which will help people that can’t properly use good mobility more. It might not be good armor in an uptier, but against lower tier AP or any of the autocannons around, it is more than decent. Its armor is not effective in a good player vs good player engagement, but in a bad player vs bad player engagement, it is.
jag A already is 10.3 or do you mean that by it should stay there
Nerf it like how? The reload speed? Or the fire power(remove its M900)?
round probs give it m833 if its too strong which i don’t believe it would be while pen is good its still only a 105mm
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HSTV’s BR is too high regarding 2S38 is only at 10.0. With inferior ammo storage, lack of AA capabitilty and superior mobility and gun depression,it should be 10.3 or 10.7 at most. Same for otomatic, it should be 10.7 at most. Also, The M1 Abrams should have M833 rather than M774 APFSDS, make it close to the DM23 fired by Leo2A4
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Mirage 2000-5F needs to be lowered. It’s not a 12.0 jet especially with the blind 530D that blows up against ideal locks, the lack of TWS PD and wide patterns, the Magic 2 missing IRCCM… etc etc
it would be 12.0 worthy if those like 20 bug reports get put in but in its current state its only slightly better than the 2000C in radar modes and I’ve been noticing a lot of bugs with 530ds flipping out on launch going up and down like a roller coaster
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(accidentally posted before finishing the post. Also whoever configured the discourse forum disabled reply editing)
Additional Sim BR recomendations:
P-51D-5 could also be moved down from 5.0 to 4.3. The reason for such a drastic shift is because it is the worst handling mustang since the major flight model overhaul several years ago.
Lancaster (France): Literally does not get any of the fat bombs that the brittish one gets, so why is it 6.0? Sure its tanky but that’s its only positive remark as a bomber. As someone who mains PVP and not “PVE”, its not often I say that a bomber should get a reduction in BR you know :P
Japanese bomber line in rank 3: Most of them are just quite frankly underperforming too. Nobody flies a plane that is terrible. Likewise for the P1Y1
CL 13 mk 4 (italy): It has no business being 9.0 when its quite literally a lighter F-86 A-5 flight model.
F-4F (Germany): These should not be higher BR than the american F-4E as they’re worse in every way.
Tornado (all): All of these should be moved down to 11.0 to be honest. They’re heavy bricks to be frank. The fighter variants could probably remain at 11.3 as they have both supertemps, TWS and all-aspect missiles.
J35D: Lacks countermeasures, terrible rear visibility… you get the point, should be moved down.
Hawker Hunter F.1: How is this still 9.0?
Su-9, Su-11: Outperforms the me 262 undeniably, should be 7.3.
SM.92, SM.91: They should swap BRs. The SM.91 is superior in sim because of cockpit visibility and the “defensive” gunner.
P-61A: I recommend increasing it to 4.3 instead of 4.0, because the engine performance is not what makes it and the C variant overpowered, its the offensive turret. The only thing stopping its stats from increasing is the fact its a GE premium which to be frank, likely means its mostly used by people who don’t know how to use it effectively.
Yak-3P: Maybe 5.7 is a bit high? Put it down to 5.3 and people will probably fly it again
Ki-27: This has no right belonging at 1.3. It is quite literally the best performing rank 1 plane in the entire game with the fastest turn time of only 8 seconds (despite stat card saying its 10 seconds). It even outturns the I-15 which supposidly has an 8 second turn time but in actuality has an ~8.5 second turn time.
B7A2 (Battlepass): It could be 0.3 higher? People use it to dogfight in it. It’s quite a mean aircraft if you ask me. I don’t have it yet though so I can’t judge how much better it is.
B-29: So why is this 7.0 in a game mode that makes it OP unlike RB where it is 7.3? I think you have a case of people deliberately J’ing out. Last time i came across a B-29 he did indeed J out before i could shoot him. Your stats likely aren’t configured well and don’t tell the full story.
F-104A (China): As to why its 10.0, i think you forgot something
If none of these BR reductions make sense, the BR cap should be moved up to be honest.
Additional changes needed:
GROUND SIMULATOR TOP TIER LINEUP NEEDS SPLITTING!
It’s so bad that I challenge any gaijin dev to grind out the italian or japanese heli lineup entirely through ground sim. It will take you over a year. It’s absurdly terribly balanced.
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yes
I dont see a problem with that
and sorry didn’t see simulator thought you were talking about rb