France main :D
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Sadge
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Strong compared to what? I think everybody agrees if you moved the leopard 2a4 to 10.7 it would need DM33 right. So, the M1A1 without M829A1 would be pretty comparable to that. I think those strong rounds is what pushes the M1A1 and IPM1 into the next bracket. Also a sad note, when you move those mid 80s tanks into 11.0 they pretty much have no chance of getting a down tier and fighting what would have been effectively mid to late 80s USSR tanks like the t72b, t64b, and t80b. So much for emersion, which is what keeps me playing this game.
Also moving up the IPM1 and M1A1 to 11.0 pretty much guarantees they become glass cannons again.
Which means good players will just avoid them.
IPM1 vs 3bm42
IPM1 vs 3bm60 for comparison.
As you can see, moving them up in BR will just turn them into worthless glass cannons, removing their top rounds would be a much better solution for all.
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Silly me, what would I know about balance? I am a US main after all.
would you like to see my air trees next?
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What the… fuck.
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What is wrong with you two?
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And the turret armor? It is much weaker. And what do You want from Jumbo with tanks at 7,0? Maybe at IS-2 it would be more useful, IS-3/6 do not meet Jumbo in battle and more important on that BR is BR-471D because D-25T is poor with penetration so it needs just more of it
And comparing it for example to Tiger II H does not explains why it should be at 6.7. Only better thing is that mobility which it still the same just as in IS-2 and turret traverse (if you have to look at traverse). The rest it better on Tiger’s side - armor, reload or penetration
WHY IS THE T62 GETTING A RELOAD BUFF??? According to the Bovington Tank Museum, the T-62 was recorded to only have around 4 shots a minute, and that’s IF it was stationary on level ground, if it was moving it was even slower. Other sources say it was even slower. Now it’s going from 6 to 7.5 shots a minute??? Russian bias is showing again.
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dude if the game had fully historical reloads the sturmtiger would get to fire once per match, calm down
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t62 should stay their old BR and get old reload, 8.7 is a joke to fight against 9.7
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the Sturmtiger is a novelty tank, no one plays it in the first place, and when they do, aiming is difficult unless its point blank, unlike the T-62 which is a staple in the russian tech tree and has no problem hurling atgms across the map
noone plays the sturmtiger? i see one in just about every 5.7 game
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Huh, we do agree on something
And the turret armor? It is much weaker.
150+50 mm compared to a fixed 250 mm. Sure, things can penetrate it, but it is also a small spot. Not to mention the volumetric hell that it is due to being two plates, weirdly shaped plates.
IS-3/6 do not meet Jumbo in battle and more important on that BR is BR-471D because D-25T is poor with penetration so it needs just more of it
First, I used the Jumbo as an example, and not as the singular tank where what I mentioned happens.
Second, that’s outright untrue. Even with the IS-6 going to 7.3, it will still be capable of facing the M4A3E2 (76), which sits at 6.3.
Again, the whole point is that BR-412B has better slope performance, even more so against armor that is composed of multiple thinner plates. BR-412D only really provides an advantage against the Tiger II (H)'s turret front (and you can penetrate the LFP with BR-412B relatively easily). Armor at this BR is generally more angled than it is flat, so 412B is generally more useful.
Only better thing is that mobility
Mobility is an integral. In fact it is one of the things that defines the in-game meta. Being able to get into a position where you can engage your enemies from an advantageous situation is just better than having to fight someone else in an advantageous position and hoping your armor is enough.
Edit: That’s not to say that the Tiger II’s aren’t ridiculous heavy tanks, even with their sluggish mobility.
lucky you, 5.7 is usually plagued with tigers and panthers on the german side. T-62’s on the other hand can fill up half the team on its BR, and now theyre getting an unbalanced, and unrealistic buff for some reason?
Yeah, and on IS-3 that spot is not just even smaller but thicker too
And that mobility does not change a heavy tank to a light one which goes on flank, IS or Object 248 still has to fight in close ranges
they’re getting the reload buff (-~1.2s to base reload by my calculation) to compensate for getting sent to 8.7 is my understanding
is it historical? probably not
although i’m pretty sure gaijin is just moving all of 8.3 to 8.7 as part of a decompression effort (not a good one but they tried ig) so make of that what you will
at least its not going up without changes
Couldn’t have said it better my self bro, plus the 9.0s moving to 9.3 is bogus why should they have to fight 10.3 abrams and 2A4 makes no sense unless they are going to move top tier all up by .3
Also the 9.3s being moved 9.7 just makes them unplayable now guess I won’t bother playing em
I agree that about M56 and T92.
AUBL74, C13T90, AML90, AMX1390, EBR1963, Ru251and so on, if they move up because of HEATFS, those that have HEATFS shell should move too, such as M46/M47/M48, M51, STA1/2/3, Type 61, M56, T92, Ratel 90, M36B, SU12254, Type62, Type 63.
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