I finally wont be forced to fight hordes of T-55’s with APDS that doesn’t pen 80% of the time/
the spike is more powerful than just 10.0
it would the highest BR possible.
Can we not move up the t95e1 it was sub par at 8.0 before and borderline needed a drop, i think leaving it at 8.0 would be fine
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Ground changes look great,but there really needs to be decompression of naval trees.
Power difference between some classes mainly DDs and Cruisers is insane.
Even in same class of ships like DDs some ships have identical or almost same BR even when they have much better performance. US DDs are wrecking pretty much everyone while Japanese are stuck with HE that can’t kill protected late US DDs.
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From the sides even a M26 can pen an IS-6 but from the front it is hopeless. And side shooting is occasional. Just playing with the Pershings now is a joke
bcs changing it will not give money to this grredy comapnu
Good changes:
Most changes, honestly. Happy to see 6.7s get some breathing room from a lot of HEAT-FS, and moving vehicles UP rather than DOWN is nice to see
F-104J
Thank god this change came, finally.
Questionable changes:
T29
It already is a BR step above the T34 due to the faster reload and APHE shell, doesn’t need another step above. It is basically equal to the Tiger 2 105 in practically everything, which is .3 below it right now.
T95E1
This thing is pretty miserable even at 8.0 as it is unstabilised and has very poor mobility. It should absolutely stay at its current BR where it doesn’t bully 6.7 vehicles anyway.
Strv 103C
Miserable at its own BR of 8.3. Making everything else go up would actually be the saving grace of this thing as just getting a tiny bit of armour and a dart round does not make this thing able to verse darts that ignore its armour, which is the only quirk of the 103 series.
Chieftain Mk 3
This is your chance to make this thing have its spot in the sun again. It’s niche is sniping but the APFSDSs it faces make it a pain to play as everything pens your turret anyway at your own BR. At the new 8.3 it won’t have to worry about that as much, and it differentiates it from the only superior Mk.5 variant that would also (otherwise) be at 8.7.
Shot Kal Dalet
No need to move these as they are just Centurions with LRF and darts. At 8.7 they would remain fine as they were JUST moved there in the most recent BR change, and would suffer immensely against 10.0 vehicles that eclipse them entirely.
Strf 9040B, CV9030FIN
It is a strain to play these successfully at their current BR, but being able to face the unchanged 10.0+ enemies in these things just does not sound right. The first stage ammo rack replenish time screwed them way too much to use them aggressively.
Radkampfwagen 90
Leave it at 9.3. It deserves to be at the same BR as the Type 16 as they are both equal with some differences.
Dardo, VCC-80/30, M3A3 Bradley,
These were recently moved up in BR in the last BR changes update. Let them stay as they did not feel good at all when those changes hit. If you must move them, please at least consider improving the performance of top-attack missiles to their previous performance. Right now these weapons feel very anaemic.
AMX-13-90
Comparable to the AMLs and RU-251 as light tanks with HEAT-FS, they should all share the same BR.
AUBL/74 HVG
Anaemic APFSDS performance makes this vehicle close to unusable. Please consider buffing the performance of sub-100mm APFSDS rounds. Until then, please do not move this thing, just as you didn’t move the M41D.
Further ideas for improvement
Give a free refund on vehicles listed with BR changes to place them in new crew slots and ace their crews for free. These changes will cost most players a LOT of SL to put into new line-ups. Would be a hugely popular change that could become a staple of BR changes.
Also, a little symbol on vehicles making players aware that their BR have been changes would also be appreciated.
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The solution isn’t to move things around, it’s to increase the maximum BR past 12.0 to 13 or 13.7 and spread the vehicles out.
If you move them around but maintain the tight squeeze from 1-12, all you do is shift the problem.
It needs to be spread out evenly and gradually to finely control balance.
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TOW-2B on the Bradley feels so underwhelming sometimes.
I would agree with the exception of the AMX 30B2s they should stay at 8.3 they kinda suck
So techtree M1128 and Wolfpack will have same BR but Wolfpack wouldn’t have the same shell ? Seems unfair…
Very good initiative to add M900 on the wolfpack !
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That’s how heavy tanks are supposed to work moron. You cant just pen anything you want anywhere, what’s the point of armor then?
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The Leo 1 shoudl receive buffs if it now moves up to face 9.0s at 8.0 it has none of the advanced features its BR mates have. no stabiliser, no advanced optics, Quite frankly its ammunition choices are also poor. At least a small buff to RoF to make up for it would be nice
Also not a single tank receiving buffs with thse BR changes needs them. First it is only soviet tanks which are getting buffs. Soviet tanks between 7.0 and 9.0 already performed above average just behind the german ones. So if anything all but russia and germany should receive buffs and not the other way around. All this does is make every soviet tank between 8.0 and 9.0 a RoF beats with strong armour and good mobility. All while other nations have either only great RoF, mobility or armour. If these changes go through I can only see a full soviet wall slaughtering everything it meets
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So i can see you are moving down the F-104J (im guessing because it doesnt have flares compared to the German F-104G), but why is the italien F-104G still at 10.7? it has 2 fewer missles then the german one, shouldnt it go down with the F-104J since they both have an inferior loudout to the german F-104G?
RB suggestions
M1A1 and IPM1: 10.7 → 11.0
This duo should not face 9.7. They have decent armor as well as exceptional firepower or noticeably better than average reload respectively.
Marder A1-: add DM63
It struggles to pen most light tanks from the front and even side sometimes due to the extremely poor APCR shell. It also only has four MILANs which are among the worst ground based ATGMs in the game with low damage and low speed. It should definitely receive DM63 so the autocannon atleast retains some function against ground targets at 7.7.
Leopard A1A1 (L44): add DM23
The Leopard 1A5 in the tech tree has better protection against autocannons and a higher penning round. Yes it has a 120mm but since the HEAT got nerfed and the damage difference between L7 and L44 isn’t really noticeable, it should at least have the same pen.
Otherwise it has no selling point over the tech tree vehicles at the moment.
Leopard 2AV: add DM63
It doesn’t even have thermals, the reload is sub par to the higher tier 120 and 125mm guns and the armor stops working entirely above 9.7.
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Take the Tornado ADV especially.
In the latest proposal, the ADV will consistantly be fighting against 4th generation fighters, BVR aircraft that outperform them in every way. This renders the plane useless which is unfortunate for being UKs top aircraft.
If you spread the BR to 13.7, the ADV could happily sit somewhere between fighting Phantoms and fighting F-16s and F-14a’s while avoiding MiG-29’s, Mirage, -14Bs etc.
To further improve and balance War Thunder and sustain it for the future, the max BR simply must go higher.
You calling me moron but u fail to see the point you moron. Pershings are also heavy tanks and yet a Russian heavy can lol pen me frontally and yet i can’t pen the front of an IS. Now go figure
What’s with the lack of BR changes for planes above 5.7 in RB? There are only 2 changes and they are both good: the F-104J and the French F-8E.
For example the whole 9.0 to 10.3 BR area is really compressed with subsonic jets with no missiles and no flares and supersonic jets with good missiles and flares fighting each other and as a result, players tend to avoid planes that can be uptiered to face jets they can’t do anything against.
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And all the time the Su-25T/39 is at 11.3 in air battles where it completely fails.
I suggest changing br to at least 10.0/10.3 where it only has 2xR-60M where it is easy to avoid them with flares.
Lowering this BR will help at least to the point where it can reach the base and destroy it which will help to fudge the modification of the plane faster so that it can be played in mixed battles
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I tend to agree with this due to it being a general decompression. I don’t understand, however, with all of the vehicles mentioned being raised, why not the rest (above 10.0) go up as well and making the top tier vehicle at 12.0. This would match the BR with the top tier airplane.
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