Planned Battle Rating changes (table updated 04.08.2023)

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I feel like a LOT of these Arcade changes are coming from the basic idea that Gaijin expects light vehicles to be significantly more effective now that they can’t be immediately identified and strafed by any bum with a fighter. I get the logic here, but I HIGHLY suggest we wait for that change to take effect before bunting all these light vehicles up in the BR spectrum for Arcade, where markers make light vehicle mobility and sneakiness less of a problem for the enemy.

British and German 6.7 need those tanks, and German 7.0 Arcade is already suffering a glut in vehicles to choose from. With three Tiger II variants, the Panther II, two heavy Tank Destroyers and two AAA options, in a game mode where you can only use three of them at a time, it seems excessive. Now German 6.7 will only have the Tiger II P and the new Battle Pass vehicle to work with.

Please reconsider some of these until after you get the data with the change in Air Event mechanics.

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moving tech tree leopard a1a1 into 9.0BR?
it doesn’t have any laser rangefinder or thermal sight.
at least having one of these are normal at that BR.

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while yes, the m1a1 and ipm1 should not face 9.7, the same could be said about the following:
T90, T80UM2 in russia.
ZTZ99-II, ZTZ 99-III in china.
Merkava Mk.3B, Merkava Mk.3C in Israel.

Could also be said that 10.3 (where most MBT’s got moved to after the last BR change) should not face stuff at 11.0-11.3, which is more common then only facing up to 10.7 IMO. all could be fixed with a simple move from +/- 1.0 br to +/- 0.7 br, but they wont do it.

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Leopard A1A1: add DM33
No thermals, no laser rangefinder and only DM23 is not enough for 9.0.
It needs a compensation in firepower. TAM 2IP and Class 3 (P) have DM33 as well as laser rangefinders and better mobility / gun handling.

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Well done you are decompressing lower BRs to compress the higher ones. Good logic as always.

Chieftains are useless as they are. They need a BR decress not an increase.

Ocelot going up but the most OP AA striela is still rocking at 9.0 - top tier with its broken undodgable missles why is that? russia bias?

QN506 is pretty bad as it is so why are you uptiering it?

Leopards are going up lmao, they are not the problem here wtf is the problem with this company (apart
from leo 1)

AMX30s are useless as f*ck why are you uptiereing them?

And why are russian tanks getting buffed for? They are fine as they are but oh yeah russian bias seems the answer here

not to even mention 9.3 104s/mig19 completly outclassing everything in a downtier like who the f thought this is a good idea?

11.0/11.3 Jets absolutly useless 99% of the time due to being outclassed by f16/f14/mig29 are you going to fix this in my life time?

BMP2M should be 10.7.

Still nothing changes to 2S38 should be 10.7.

Dont implement these BR changes. They are doing 20% good and 80% bad.

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M304.
It’s possible, just hard.

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But yeah, IS-6 going up is good cause less likely to see them.

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Not really, it has good armor but slow reload and terrible post pen damage. You still have to aim for weak spots to get kills for the most part. Most players (specifically german players) just don’t know how to kill it.

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G’day,

NF:

I’m intrigued by your decision to lower the HMS Dreadnought yet it’s fine where it’s.

The HMS Colossal is groovy so is the HMS Invincible although I dare say the SMS Von der Tann should get similar treatment.

An OOF to the HMS Glorious but probably just (I still want her sister added with it’s designed armament).

Also ahh RIP the Abdiel class Minelayer being pushed up to 4.3 for it was fine as an oversized Hunt class at 4.0, It should stay imo.

The No.13 subchaser going up seems daft tbh and should probably stay it’s BR.

Suggestions:

The Project 50 all three be dropped to 3.7 on the grounds of them being quite crap for 4.0 as afterall many 3.7’s outgun them.

Project 204 ASW Corvette to 4.0, I run this in a 4.0 lineup along with the larger Project 1331M ASW Corvette it’s as effective there as it’s in 3.7 and it was a shock that it was missed in past BR changes.

Tacoma class Frigate USS Hoquiam PF-5, This needs a BR reduction it could either be a 3.0 or lower for how terrible this ship is especially for something that costs as much as an F-16 to research for whatever daft reason the devs decision that’s the RP requirement something this bad needed the ship legitimately cannot defend itself from fore or aft attacks.

LCS(L)(3) to 3.3, this landing craft still has a legacy BR and as such has no place at 3.7 without a proper lineup.

Cyclone class PG USS Cyclone PC-1 to 3.3, the weaponry is inconsistent add in the no real lineup issue it faces.

Chidori class Torpedo Boat Chidori to 3.3 the vessel doesn’t have a lineup and it’s worse in surface engagements then the free Mustuki class destroyer with it’s only saving grace being 10× 25 mm/60 Type 96 AA guns.

Isuzu class Destroyer Escort JDS Isuzu DE-211 to 3.3 similar case no true lineup and it being 3.3 wouldn’t be to much of a problem as afterall the 3"/50 Mk.22 guns overheat way to quickly in game to make the ship effective.

Soldati class destroyers to 4.0, Simply put the 4.3 vessels are the weakest ones in game and get shat on by the second worse 4.3 those being the Project 7U as such the Soldati class should be dropped in BR.

The Scout Cruisers Kuma to 4.3 & Sendai to 4.7, Not much to say these are extremely weak cruisers in game, Similar the AA Cruiser Isuzu to 4.3 as well since it’s main armament is HAA cannons without a SAP/AP shell, All three are hardly 5.0 warships.

Battleship Lorraine to 6.3, It isn’t a true 6.7 and so should be lowered as afterall the french need proper later design Battleship critically not a great war era vessel with some WWII AA fitted to it as a top ship.

Destroyer Chacal to 3.7, I don’t see how it’s sisters can be 3.7 yet this blasted thing be a 4.0 as such just lower it.

That about raps it up I believe

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I do not believe the T95E1 of all things should be going up to 8.3, it is an already sad vehicle. It is not very mobile, it lacks a stabilizer, and the gun isn’t very accurate. The armor is good enough against full caliber rounds but between 8.0 and top tier those rounds vanish in favor of sabot and heat. Its nowhere near comparable to the turm III which is superior in everyway but armor but will end up sharing the same BR of 8.3.

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pershings are medium tanks you cretin

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I own the XM-1 its too fast to stay at 9.3 it is going to crush all those 8.0s moving up to 8.3

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Super Pershing and Jumbo Pershing are mediums??? Well let me say the names too so you can check it yourself coz your peanut size brain can’t understand simple things. T26E1-1 and T26E5. Go and check them out if they are mediums and then call me a cretin.
First gain some knowledge, then run your little mouth keyboard warrior

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Dear developers of Gaijin,

The planned battle rating changes is a blessing for me as someone who plays most of my time at ranks III - V of Ground Forces mode. With these proposed changes, I am more happy to play heavily armored vehicles, like the Jagdtiger or Tiger II, that should see more time on the battlefield from me. Other heavy vehicles, such as the IS-4M and Conqueror, will have a better chance of being influential on the battlefield like in years past when Ground Forces was a recent addition to the game. The planned battle rating changes this time will greatly change how Ground Forces will play and thus I want to create my first forum post in the new War Thunder forum to ask the developers to consider these changes:

  • The most important feedback I want to provide is continue expanding the upper echelon of the battle ranks at 8.7 and above at least in Ground Forces. With so many rank IV-V vehicles moving up, they affect the balance of Ground Forces of higher ranks.

  • Review the battle rank of the American premium T54E1. The tank has not been adjusted in any planned battle rating changes for a long time and seems it is able to be moved from 8.0 to 7.7 in Realistic Battles with these proposed changes now. French tanks with oscillating turrets and auto loading mechanisms like the T54E1 uses are at 7.3-7.7 . Furthermore, the T54E1 has one of the slowest reload of the auto loading mechanism at 25 seconds per shell if I remember correctly.

  • Consider leaving the American premium T29 at battle rank 7.0 in Realistic Battles because the “sisters” of the that tank - T30 & T34 - remain at rank 6.7 for Realistic Battles. I accept that the T29 is the best one among the three vehicles, but placing the T29 at 7.3 RB is more of a change than I am comfortable with.

  • On the opposite for changing the rank of a premium tank, the Object 120 should move up to 8.0 RB instead of 7.7 RB. That vehicle has the APFSDS ammunition with the capable penetration at 500 meters equivalent to stock APFSDS of some main battle tanks at higher battle ranks. And should I say that if the Object 120 is moved up more, the survival rate of the vehicle would slightly improve because players are more expected to use high-penetration ammunition that would pass through the thin armor of the Object 120 with small amount of armor spalling.

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No IS heavy tank can frontally pen super or jumbo pershing so it would make your argument pointless if you were talking about those

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When will the Leclerc’s get their IRL reload rates of 5-4 sec? 5 sec for when the Leclerc changes ammo type and 4 sec if it shoots the same ammo type.

And WHY is the AMX-30 B2 BRENUS moving up in BR? I know its so that you can separate the late ww2 from the early cold war vehicles but you guys haven’t even given the BRENUS its IRL optical STAB so all the B2’s should go down in BR in this configuration once you give it, its IRL STAB then it can go into its proposed BR change

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me262 7.0 > 6.7

I think the me262 doesn’t fit 7.0 because it has worse performance and bad ammo trajectory than other jets in its class.

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Add apfsds and smoke launchers and move up the Begleitpanzer-57 like how it’s been proven many times to have.

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BR decompress please!

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Please leave t-62 at it’s current BR. obj 435 is a direct upgrade, t-62 has anemic dart with poor postpen and no rangefinder. it’s a sniper tank that cannot snipe. It should be placed with t-55a, as it has nothing over it - same power/weight ratio, do APHE, which helps a lot in uptiers, worse reload (even after buff)

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When i think about it, the brenus would be alone at 8.7 (like long time ago)