In fact, the Shturm is way more dangerous for helicopters than the Lvrbv
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please lower F-104S ASA br. It’s not an 11.3 plane, same as F-104S should be 10.7 as before
Char and amx should absolutely not be moved up unless they receive better penetration, and even then theyll be weak
ASA is closer to be 11.3 than anything under sadly.
It doesn’t need to go up. Play it as a fighter and see why.
T-54’s aren’t even amazing. Mediocre at best. Nothing about them is fast - reload, straight line, turret etc. Referencing the real world era shouldn’t be used for in game balancing.
Skink, Wirbelwind, Ostwind, Bosvark, BTR-ZD and all similar should be around 3.0… in no case above 4.0, with those 50mm of pen point blank, what are they suppose to do against a Tiger, M6A1 or a KV?!?.. The swedish 40mm with 72mm pen AA is 3.7/2.7?!?..
KV-220 has 5.0 cannon, so it should not reach IS-2!.. at 6.0 now most guns take out its breach with the first shot!..
They are Anti Air not tank destroyers
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Hello.
Having seen discounts on chinese packs a week and a half ago, I bought chinese T69 II-G and T62 for better setup. And now in less than 2 weeks you show these BR changes which include T69 II-G from 8.7 to 9.0.
I bought that tank only because of his BR and posibility to use with premium T62.
Im 100% sure you knew about these BR changes before creating news about chinese packs discounts.
Isnt it scam of players? Could you accounce BR changes before chinese packs discounts?
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What I could also add is the existence of the Tiger II (H), which the Japanese Tiger E might face.
Again the Tiger II (H) is more dangerous to the Tiger compared to the IS-3 simply because the better RoF and traverse speed, while also remaining practically immune to the front.
Then again, it’s much more likely that the Tiger knocks out an unware Tiger II than an unaware IS-3.
Hence why overall the IS-3 is better due to it’s survivabilty on the battlefield.
One one hand a vehicle must be able to kill others very easily, while also not getting killed in return.
Since you can’t get kills when you’re knocked out.
On the topic of moving Tigers to 6.0:
I think it’s just the result of Gajin trying to balance tanks like the KV-1 ZIS-5, which has very strong armor but lacks firepower BR wise.
By moving a lot of tough vehicles up in BR, it won’t club hard in downtiers while up-tiers are more managable.
With vehicles moving up, like Panthers and Tigers, some of their opponents also needed to go up.
Now the Tiger E and Panther A/G won’t face the KV-1 ZIS-5 but still the M4A1 (76).
Personally I was thinking that the M26 could be moved up to 6.7 and perform just fine. It has excellent armor in downtiers and the firepower is alright for a 6.7 medium.
As for the Tiger II (P) moving up while the Tiger II (H) stays:
I’m not so sure, whether the Tiger II (H) is really that much better.
Sure the turret can not be penetrated by some vehicles in downtiers but it’s actually not that many.
The Tiger II (P) turret is better protected from the side on the other hand, so it’s less likely to get killed by some lower penetrating guns from the side and when the turret is angled it presents a much larger target on the Tiger II (H).
Of course the main advantage of the Tiger II (H) is really that it can resist some APHE shells that would easily knock out the Tiger II (P) from the front.
Personally I found that the Tiger II (P) was just a tad bit to good for 6.3.
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I think that the Type 79 anti-tank missile should behave properly before raising the BR of the Japan Tree Land Type 89.
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Pushing the Su-25BM down is not a great idea. R-73’s against 10.0 planes? No bueno.
Would be wiser to expand BRs to 12.7 or 13.0 even, that would get rid of the planes pressuring 11.3 without sacrificing lower BRs.
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If you are going to increase the BR of Type 16[P]{FPS}, I think you should give Type 93 shells.
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Its still an su25. It flies like a brick. The r73s dont have HMD so their usefullness is reduced in addition to the fact they are somewhat easy to flare unlike the AIM-9M.
Decompressing the brs would not help the su25 since it struggles even at its own br of 11.3. The SU39 and 25T should stay at 11.3 tho since they have much better cas abilities than the su25BM
As I said, that worse gun depression and slower reverse on M42 largely negates it for me.
And you can keep that idiot to yourself, I am just trying to explain how I think that sherman br change will affect M42 play rate, not discredit any of your opinions.
AH-64JP does not have a laser warning receiver or missile warning system, so I think it is inappropriate to raise the BR.
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Yes, and that’s why in an earlier exchange I was saying that IS-3s are a bad comparison in relation to Tiger IIs, because they place a lot more emphasis on survivability and will often be saved even when caught by surprise in full broadside. If their armour was modelled more correctly/benefited less from volumetric, I’d have no problem with it being 6.7, even. The Tiger IIs have an overall very uneven armour layout, and compensate by doing other things better than the IS-3 (rate of fire, gun, turret traverse, gun depression). Flanking a Tiger II and knocking it out is more feasible than with an IS-3, but in a frontal engagement, especially at distance, it is much more of a threat for something like the No.6.
Generally speaking, there are several “bad” heavies (but also tanks from other classes) at low BRs that suffer from this, I agree. When we talk about compression, we often focus on the upper BRs, and that makes sense, because we have 7-ish BRs for the whole of WW2, and then four for everything that comes after, which is a little insane. But that doesn’t mean there is no compression in the WW2 sections either.
Personally, though, this looks more like rearranging chairs than actually addressing anything. They keep moving compression spots around. Yes, you can’t decompress all at once, but you can’t decompress at all unless you start from the top, by raising the cap; and then work your way down, so that everything else can follow in stages.
In a more decompressed scenario this would make sense, but right now it still doesn’t sit right with me. There are too many great alternatives in the lineup that eclipse it.
It’s also a tad bit not good enough for 6.7. I think that sort of no man’s land is what makes it awkward. At 6.7, it’s basically “the poor man’s Tiger II” that you’d only ever spawn as a backup if all else has failed.
I’m not lucky enough to have the Tiger II 105 and the Panther II, but just to discuss a hypothetical, imagine that you have those, and the Tiger II H, and the Sla, plus the Jagdtiger, Ferdinand, and maybe even the Elefant. I can’t really think of a situation I might be in, where any of these vehicles were available for me to spawn, and I’d just say “nah, I’ll go with the Tiger II P today”. And that’s before getting into the alternatives from other classes, like LeK and JPz 4-5.
I would say “I’m never gonna use it” once it’s uptiered, but that wouldn’t be quite true. I deliberately want to learn how to play every German ground vehicle between 1.0 and the Maus eventually. But that would just be a personal challenge. If I was purely minmaxing, I’d never take it out at 6.7 unless it was literally my last spawn (which sounds unlikely).
I definitely get penned there quite often, yes. But I have a much easier time of it with the production turrets than I do with the prototype. Only when I bushed up the turret did it start to feel a little more usable.
I can’t say that’s ever saved me when being shot from the side tbh.
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If it gets Type 93 it should be moved to 9.7 like the the normal Type 16.
Won’t someone think of the poor German mains? How will they ever cope with having too many options to choose from :'(
I for one am glad I don’t have such problems as a UK main - GJN hates us so much that the only choice is how handicapped you want to be.
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