Yes it should, once 9.0-10.0 is more decompressed.
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Nothing Gaijin has done in the past has quite made me feel this way but these br changes legit make me want to quit the game and if they continue moving stuff up that has no business being moved up I seriously might. Some of my favorite vehicles are legit about to get ruined.
RB game mode.
Leave the M-26 at 6.3.
The type 87 RCV should be moved to 8.0 not 9.0, it lacks stabilizer, thermals and laser rangefinder. It is large lacks armor, it can be easily killed by .50 cal, and has very limited penetration.
The Type 89 should be moved to 8.3 not 9.0. It will be outclassed at 9.0
STB-1 Should be moved from 8.3 to 8.0. It is not as good as the type 74c, and it lacks the HEATFS that caused it to move to 8.3 in the first place.
F-4C Phantom II 10.0 to 9.7 With the lack of countermeasures, internal gun, and getting nothing better than aim 9 E, while facing more advanced air to air missiles. The only thing it can do effectively at its current BR is be a bomb truck.
F-104J 10.3 to 10.0 With lack of countermeasures, and generally poor flight performance, while facing advanced air to air missiles that make it a free kill, it should have its BR reduced.
F-1 10.3 to 10.0 With the lack of countermeasures while facing advanced air to air missiles making it a free kill. It should have it’s BR reduced.
R2Y2 all models 8.0 to 7.3 they lack speed acceleration and climb rate for their current BR, so it should be reduced.
G.91 R/1 8.7 to 8.3 This aircraft has to give up half its gun firepower in order to carry 2 AA-20 Nord while the G.91 R/4 gets 4 aim 9 B without having its gun firepower reduces. This makes the G.91 R/4 a better aircraft at 8.7, while also being a premium, then the G.91 R/1. The G.91 R/1 should have its BR reduced.
Reduce the BR spread in the match maker in order to reduce compression.
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M26 Pershing to 6.7 is absurd. At 6.7 you also have the T26E5 and T26E1-1 that are upgrades in armor and firepower. Effectively making the M26 worthless. It’s completely outclassed by 6.7 standard. The 90mm boasts less pen than the 75mm found on the Panther. The armor is only a little more improved than a Tiger 1. This is not 6.7 material. There is a reason the existing US 6.7 tanks either have powerful guns like the long 90mm, 105mm, or 120mm. Or Heavy armor like the T26E5.
IS-2 (1944) also do not need to go up to 6.7. Pretty much the same reason as the Pershing’s. They fit a very special role. A punchy gun and long reload. After every shot you have 20+ seconds of being vulnerable to everything. At 6.7 facing things like T32E1 and Maus this will be miserable as your 122mm will no longer have impact.
Tiger E also doesn’t need to be 6.0. 5.7 is fine for it. Sure it offers an upgrade over the H1 variant, but the tiger shouldn’t need to combat IS-3s and T95 heavy tanks. In these Br changes you move the Tiger II (P) to 6.7 right next to the superior Tiger II (H). So it isn’t a matter of the Tiger E being an upgrade. You’ve shown that doesn’t matter.
KV-1 ZiS-5 also should not go to 4.7. It’s got a slightly improved gun but worse armor than the KV-1B/E that sits at 4.0. The gun isn’t even a huge improvement. The KV-1 ZiS-5 should not sit 0.3 lower than the German KW-1C that boasts a high velocity gun and the same, if not better armor.
And it should go down.
Haha, no problem mate. We’re all super passionate about this game, or we wouldn’t be here to talk about it. It’s a way to show love. :D
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Soviet ones were moved up years ago.
You even admitted that Ka-50 is 11.0 instead of 10.7 where NATO equivalents have been & lower for years.
Tandem isn’t modeled in War Thunder.
@Starwalker5534
Lvkv 9040C & 2S38 are not under-BR’d.
VIDAR being a meme at 11.7 doesn’t make it OP.
@Senior_Guacamole
These changes make the game more enjoyable for most people.
None of your favorite vehicles are getting ruined as the list doesn’t have any vehicle getting ruined.
OP vehicles are getting moved up.
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Tiger II P going to 6.7 while being significantly worse protection wise than the Tiger II H. Meanwhile the T32 and E1 are at a different BR while the E1 has no real increase in any stats or armour.
The IS 3 is still left at 7.0 while it should have been 7.3 in the last round of BR changes.
Again premiums and Event vehicles of the Soviets are ignored. IS 7 and obj 279 where fringe cases before the last changes but have been blatantly OP since then. The KV 220 is also not goint up. Meanwhile the T44 remains at 6.7 while being undergunned and its armour rendered useless by any tank it faces.
M26 going up makes no sense. Every 6.7 US vehicle is better than it. The M26 should stay at 6.3 and the T25 should go to 6.0 or get its stab again. Also M26T99 is stying at 6.3 while being a very very slightly better M26? Cant see those rokets beaing such a downside that it should remain unchanged if the other M26s are such a problem.
Skink and Bosverak going up is also senseless. The SKink is a decent SPAA but useless against most tanks even from the side or rear. The Bos is just terrible and should never have moved past 4.7
Again utterly senseless changes as proposed right now.
Either don`t make them or include every vehicle in need of an BR increase.
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The Z9WA should receive AKD9 at its new BR.
209 mm of pen for the amx and char barely works at 7.3, if moved to 7.7, they should receive the amx 13 90s 320 pen heat
Weak argument when the Ka-50 has the longest range missiles with 10km (only Z-10 missile and GB premium have that) while also being beam riding and not a top down missile. It has a broken model which survives everything and is overall just way stronger than any NATO counterpart. AH-64D is literally shit compared to the Ka-52 or Mi28NM.
“Sovjet ones were moved up years ago” - yeah, thats why its time to increase their BR’s now.
Where did i admit it was 10.7? Ka-50 is 11.0 - and if the NATO 11.0’s move to 11.3 so should the Russian ones.
NATO equivalents are much worse than it, not to mention the Vikhr can kill every other heli without any chance to fight back. Saying the YAH-64 is the “same” in performance as the Ka-50 is delusional.
Ka-50 should move up to 11.3. The Mi28N for example should stay at 11.0. As, after checking, it only gets 6km missiles.
They also said, that they move up the long range ATGM helis - so the Ka-50 should NOT be execluded by their own reasoning.
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I would disagree in terms of ammunition inferiority in the cases of the T-55AM-1 and T-55AMD-1. While their APFSDS round is certainly inferior to both Type-83 and M1000A1, both of the aforementioned tanks get better ammo variety than their Chinese counterparts.
In any case, the performance of the cannons of all of these tanks are similar enough to not justify moving any one of them in BR without moving the rest.
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Kinda tired of this no sense about Vikhr performance. The nominal range of the missile is 8km; with the “extra 2km” being only achievable at 1.5km-2km altitude over the ground level.
Ka-50 lacks the optical zoom (X23 vs. X70 on the Ka-52) or thermals to make full use of the Vikhrs range; please, stop with the BS that is somehow superior to any of the Apaches.
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In what word are the tiger Is, pershings, IS2s, KV1 Zis-5, or Tiger IIp OP? These were fine at their BR and will now face more powerful vehicles.
I would disagree, it is way quicker than the two fat Pershings, and has some armor not a lot but enough to bounce some poorly aimed shots.
I do agree, though without the KV-85 at 4.7 with the upcoming BR Changes this is fine. The KV-1B/E, are tanky but can be easily clapped via M10s, the KV-1 ZiS-5 has a bit more mobility, and I prefer the slightly improved gun. If the KV-1C was added for Russia the ZiS-5 should go back down.
Speaking of that thing it should be 5.3 if the Tigers are moving up.
You really need to do something about 8.0-10.0 planes.
So many planes have big problems against missiles, both because of pure performance and missing countermeasures.
And Rooivalk has thermal imaging, MAW, 4 more missiles, and superior laser tracking & penetration at 11.0, soon to be 11.3 as it is indeed superior to Ka-50.
People call Vikhrs OP yet only pen 800mm, range is all they have going for them, and AGM-114s have the same range IRL, proving that for in-game is hard tho.
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To be honest, after getting the hang of them, they aren’t tooo underpowered, it just takes some skill to make them work. However I 100% agree.
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I use the Ka-50 myself and you can kill every other heli with ease.
Gaijin said that they increase the BR of the long range ATGM helis - so Ka-50 should not be execluded.
My point still stands that a YAH-64 is no way comparable in terms of strenght to a Ka-50. It should go up to 11.3 like all the other Helis do.
The zoom is fine and the heli is more than usable in any scenario. Any Apache is easily dispached by a single spawn of a Vikhr heli, while the Apache can only sit and watch before it dies.
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M26 does not need to go to 6.7 because USA at 6.7 has other objectively better tanks like T26E5, and T26E1-1. The Pershing is strong in downtiers like to 5.7 and 5.3 matches where enemies dont know its weakspots, it is ok at 6.3 but gets smashed in uptiers. No one will play this tank at 6.7.
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