Kv-220 can go up but IS-3, IS-4, IS-6, 279 are fine at their current BR.
Tiger, Panthers, IS-2, etc WW2 vehicles BR changes need to be reverted. They are fine at their current BR.
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Some of these changes seem really weird, i understand that they may be WIP but uptiering vehicles like the M26 and having the Super Pershing at the same BR shouldn’t even be considered. (same with other vehicles like the Tiger II)
Now with some specific changed i would personally love to see in the game;
Naval Realistic Battles:
Shimakaze 5.0 → 4.7 The ship is comparable to other Japanese destroyers at 4.3 while boasting better speed, AA suite and ready torpedoes (while other ships have a higher total torpedo ammount), performance wise this ship is inferior to even some 4.7 and 5.0 Destroyers other nations have but i think 4.7 would be sufficent for it.
Agano 5.3 → 5.0 poor firepower in general, while the HE bug persisted it was somewhat viable but since the bug has been (thankfully) fixed they ship feels terrible and is suck into 6.0 and 6.3 more than it should. It also haves poor AA suite and armour 5.0 BR would make things better for it.
Bourrasque 3.7 → 3.3 It’s more comparable to other nations’ 3.3 Destroyers.
Ground Realistic Battles:
Ground vehicles:
ZTZ88B 8.7 → 8.7 The 88B is just an inferior version of the ZTZ88A, they were already at the same BR but with most of the Chinese 8.7 lineup being uptiered this vehicle could use being at the same BR it is right now.
M60A3 TTS (China) 9.0 → 8.7 This vehicle is too an inferior version of an existing vehicle this time just even worse, while the TTS in the American TT haves a better round and ERA installed the RoC TTS haves none of the latter being it’s only advantage being ~1 ton lighter. While RoC TTS didn’t had any sort of ERA installed the Republic of China had full access to the M774 APDSFS round and it should be added if the BR were to be keep as it is now.
M41D 8.0 → 7.7 Comparable vehicle to the ZTS63, while having thermals it haves worse overall mobility. if thermals are a issue for it to be moved down then an approach similar to the one taken with the ZTZ59D1 would be an option, remove thermals and make the vehicle 7.7.
CM-25 8.3 → 8.3 (Add TOW-2s to it) It’s supposed to be a better version of the M113 TOW carrier already in the TT but TOW-2Bs fail to be better at killing enemy vehicles (they work at disabling their breaches pretty well tho) BR can stay as it is but add TOW-2s to it (or TOW-2As while it doesn’t affect the vehicle’s BR).
ZTZ93 9.3 → 9.7 Probably one of the best 9.3 MBTs in the game and outshades other stuff in it’s own TT like the CM-11.
ZTZ96A & MBT-2000 10.0 → 10.3 Same reasons as above but on a vehicles with a very good protection on the turret and UFP, 9.0s have problems facing them. ZTZ96A(P) should stay where it is.
PGZ09 8.3 → 8.7 Gepard style SPAA that is beter in every regard to Gepard and even other vehicles like the Type 87 SPAA, it was a step higher before and should be now.
Type 89 & Type 87 RCV 8.7 → 8.7 both vehicles been victim of countless (albeit historical in majority) nerfs, both should have no bussiness at 9.0 specially Type 87 RCV where the superior Italian equivalent sits currently at.
Type 16 FPS 9.0 → 9.7 Give it the Type 93 APDSFS round and let it sit at the same BR where the production Type 16 is at, Type 16 (P) already fills the niche of a prototype vehicle with a worse round and is worse overall then the FPS.
Type 93 9.3 → 9.0 While the missile changes helped the vehicle a lot this vehicle is at the same BR as the Strela-10M2 while having a worse missile, yes it’s the fastest ground vehicle in the game but this ain’t a race it’s supposed to be a balanced game.
M42 Contraaereo 3.3 → 3.3 Worse chassis than the Wirbelwind, less ammo and protection. While having belt fed guns is a plus the vehicle is overall worse.
Centauro I 105 (ROMOR) 9.3 → 9.3 Keep it at the same BR, it shouldn’t be on the level of other wheeled TDs like the Type 16 and VRCC, everything this vehicle can do is already done better by the Spanish Centauro, it’s slugginess is comparable to the ZLT11 while having a much worse round.
Merkava Mk.2D 9.7 → 9.3 Only difference from the other TT Merkavas is a rather usless composite package and a mine protection kit, when it used to be 9.3 the vehicle was already comparable to tanks in 9.0 with DM33 equivalents, there was no reason to raise it’s BR in the first place after giving the other Merkavas a better round.
Merkava Mk.4(s) 11.3 → 11.3 & 11.7 → 11.7 For the love of God model the armour correctly.
Helicopters:
Z-9 10.0 → 9.3 lackluster payload, lack of a chin gun and only 2 hardpoints, it’s only use at this BR is being a flying SAM with the TY-90s, They should be REMOVED from the Z-9 and let this terrible helicopter be at least mediocre on it’s original BR of 9.3
Z-9WA 10.3 → 10.0 This helicopter would be the same BR as the AH-64DJP and higher than stuff like the A-129/T-129 and G-LYNX. Same issues as the one listed above but with more TY-90s and terrible ATGMs (for the BR it’s placed at) solution would be rather simple, just add a SP cost as a balancing factor to the TY-90s or limit them to only one pylon, this helicopter is only used for anti air duties and it’ll only get worse the more it’s uptiered.
Z-19, Z-19E 11.3 → 11.0 suffers from the same fate as the other PRC helicopters; bad rockets, light payload, deadly air-to-air missiles and lack of a chin gun but this time with slower AGM-114Ks with a longer range which weren’t affected by the Hellfire’s guidance improvements. Same solution as before just balance TY-90s, not the mediocre helicopters carrying them.
Z-10 11.7 → 11.3 or 11.0 It’s just a fat Z-19 with a (pea shooter) chin gun and even longer ATGM range which as with the AKD-09 haves atrocious guidance. This helicopter isn’t a top tier helicopter that should be the same BR as things like Ka-52, Mi-28NM, Apache Longbow or UHT Tiger (which haves F&F missiles to keep up) implementation of better armament should be considered or just let it sit at the BR of the Z-19.
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Batchat char 25t reload change is very nice, but the tank is very sluggish on acceleration. I think leaving it in the french 7.3 lineup is fine
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A small speed buff, with a penetration buff, as 200 is weak at 7.3, and when uptiered is pitiful
I’m shocked the T-95 is being moved up instead of down. I will not deny the raw armor thickness and gun performance of the vehicle, however it has a massive amount of downsides. The vehicles speed and reaction time should negate it from being a 7.0. It is a slightly more well armored, significantly slower Jadgtiger with a worse gun. Please make the T-95 6.7.
The Foch is faster, has much better frontal armor and an insane gun with a better reload speed. You are willingly putting the T-95 on the same playing field as something that is strictly better than it in every way.
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279 doesnt need a BR changes, its fine at 8.7
People refuse to learn weakspots.
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T-69 IIG get ridiculous moving up to 9.0 without any positive change. plus 0.3 and you get ZTZ96, T-72A or T-64A right?
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bro it has 1 weakspot and half of what it fights cant pen it the vehicle clearly overpreforms
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This is generally pretty okay. I play air RB fighters so let’s talk about those.
MiG-3-34 2.3-2.7. Agree entirely, that plane is very strong right now.
J2M2 4.3-4.7. Another well needed change to a very undertiered plane.
J6K1 6.0-6.3. I guess this is reflective of how strong Type 99 cannons are rn. The J6K1 had performance I’d consider average for 6.0, and is now same BR as P-51H. Not sure the guns will quite be able to compensate, but it’s not a terrible change and I see the motivation, just won’t be as playable.
MiG-21 SPS-K: 10.0-9.7. Mixed feelings. What really is needed is a total rework of the 8.7-10.7 region focusing on decompression. However In the current matchmaker this will make the SPS-K a little more usable. It will see the same sort of matches as the MiG-21S which gets a stronger engine than it, but worse (albeit more) missiles.
Just like the S it doesn’t really belong here, but for now it’s probably the best spot, so kudos, but please decompress.
A-6E TRAM: 10.0-10.3. Agree. Assuming this was always the intention for this plane, at 10.0 it had better performance and more missiles than the A-10A at the same BR. I think 10.7 is needed, but it’s still only an attacker so it’s not broken at 10.3.
Su-25BM. 11.3-11.0. It’s the same old story. Terrible flight model but outrageous kit. I honestly am not sure whether this was right or wrong. I think it will generally be okay, but will result in some fairly unfair kills against 10.0 and 10.3. Decompression, again, would help with this.
AJS37. 11.3-11.0. The AJS37 iirc can only take 2 AIM-9Ls if it wants to take countermeasures and a gun, and it was rough at 11.3 as a result. I think 11.0 is a slightly better spot for it but once again, it shouldn’t face 10.0 with it’s speed and kit. (We need Decompression)
Netz: 12.0-12.3. Not a top tier player but I know the Netz has a comparable kit to the other F-16/MiG-29s and worse flight Performance. It will struggle in scenarios where it has to fly defensively and the F-16A at 12.0 is still probably a better aircraft. Possibly indicating the F-16s need to be spread over a BR range of more than 0.3 to highlight the fact that there is a significant performance gap between the blocks
Overall, not too bad. A lot of people will whine about things but such is the nature of the community. I think there are still a lot of more glaring BR misplacements than the ones mentioned here, but I don’t hate these changes entirely, like I did when you uptiered the re2005
KV1E at 4.0, KV220 at 5.7, IS-3 at 7.0, obj279 at 8.7, NoRuSsIaNbIaS, stop crying over and over again
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same thing goes for ZTZ88A/B and 69IIG, while the latter ones gots way more weak points, why they went up while 279 don’t?
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I think almost all of these BR changes are fine. But a couple of noticable things I dont like:
Type 87 RCV does NOT deserve to go to 9.0. No stab, no thermals, no ATGM, no reverse speed anymore making it a PAIN to play what is supposed to be a highly mobile wheeled recon vehicle, and it only gets a 25mm autocannon with 92mm pen (and if I forgot to mention it has NO STAB!). That change is the only rediculous change I see.
Type 16s: Okay yes, Im sad but also its fair that the Type 16P/FPS go up, their gen 3 thermals are stupid strong. But the problem I have is the regular Type 16: going to 9.7 puts it in a BR black hole with ZERO lineups for it. It’ll become a hanger decoration with no reason to play it. At least now you can sort of make a half gimped lineup work with the Type 93, Type 74G (if you have it) and 9.0 Type 74s/Type 16P.
I would like to see if we could find a way to balance it that doesnt make its BR increase into that black hole. Maybe remove Type 93, M735 is fine, though it makes it a direct clone of the 16P now. (But whats another identical clone vehicle in the japanese tech tree at this point anyway?)
Also I kinda agree the M26 doesnt need 6.7.
Also lower the R2Y2s back to 7.7 in RB please for the love of snail!
Also also give the STB-1 its HEAT round back please! Type 74C is identical atb the same BR and has the HEAT round!
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It has for 1, only 2 missiles rather than the 4 of the MiG-21S at the same BR, and a worse engine.
please do a 10.3 decompression, besides, what was the use of the previous br decompression if you do this?
Over all good changes for Air RB but I have a few suggestions
Spitfire F Mk. 24 should go from 7.0 to 6.7
Spitfire F Mk.22 should go from 6.7 to 6.3
P-51H should go from 6.3 to 6.7
Not to sure about this one but maybe the F2G should go up to 6.3
Ju 288 HAS to go up to 6.7, it has literally destroyed 5.0 to 6.3 Germany
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Okay fair, but most people don’t know about those armour holes. at least I cant remember dying to smth like that. And 80mm side armour or 60mm isn’t much of a difference at that tier, as you start facing 100-120mm APDS and darts on autocannons by 8.7 anyway. I’d rather take the lessened weight that’s resulting in better mobility and try not to get my side shot at in the first place.
It’s sad man, I loved playing Japanese vehicles like the Type 87/89 while grinding rank 6/7, they’re hard to play but were at least rewarding, now full uptiers won’t even be worth loading into. They were already turbo shafted last patch with the missile nerfs and br increase
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I agree, just use HESH and that’s it
please add the battle rating 13.0
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Why on earth you want the EJ Kai as the same BR as MiG29SMT? It’s more of a bus missile than the SMT.
Agree with these.
The spitfire mk 24 is a bit of a meme against jets and it actually can work, but it’s not supposed to be there.
The mk 22 going down is needed.
The P-51H could go up fasho, but Its not quite as good as the mk 24 (although it’s close)
F2G-1 is definitely very good (but maybe just a little overrated) but I think 6.3 is not needed.
The 288 problem needs to stop somehow
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