They are actually pretty good, 15 percent is way too low of a hit rate.
I’d also, I’d rather have 8 decent missiles then none(many jets around that tier don’t even have radar missiles and some only have 2 AAMs)
I agree with Sniperwhg, I don’t entirely agree with WieseAufmWald. I feel the VBCI-2 is too constricted by its size to take advantage of its survivability. There is almost nowhere on any map this thing can hide behind. And as Sniperwhg has said, the only benefit it has over any other IFV is LWS (Which I can count on one hand how many times it has been useful), I wouldn’t consider good thermals a major point (however nothing in the turret is also a benefit that needs to be considered still). I think we need to consider the BR meta currently in place in game right now. French 9.3 is already a sh*&show because of all the 10.3 Premiums and lineups that people are abusing to grind. Moving the most forgiving French grinder up to 10.7 territory is a horrible idea, it can have decent AA support and maybe CAS (I wouldn’t personally know about planes), but it won’t have any gun support worth while, because the AMX-40’s gun really is only 9.3 worthy. Call me bad but I don’t think anything other than the AA is good enough to drag up to 9.7 in a lineup with the VCBI-2
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The VT is pretty much pointless and in 19/20 games it goes completely unused, in some very big maps you might shoot down a hovering moron in the sky but you can just do the same with APFSDS (which also requires less elevation to use).
I aced obj211 by playing at 8.7 and the 160mm pen APHE wasn’t a problem, actually it was pretty good and could penetrate some tanks with little difficulty. 240mm pen APHE that T54/55s get is much much stronger and you are saying APHE is somehow obsolete?
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Obj 279 gets to stay at 8.7 but the RCV and Type 89 get gutted and get sent to 9.0 hell, RCV doesn’t even have a stabilizer and the 89 has junk missiles, I’m sure they’ll both be very competitive and useful vs Turms and Challengers.
No Russian heli’s appearing at all is downright comical
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We need something, and we all know all jets aren’t moving up.
We still have jets like the F-104 ASA that are sitting at 11.3. Just awful performances vs anything.
I’m not saying it is incredible either, but it is good enough and works for what it is, especially against poorly aimed shots. Better that turret than smth like an AMX-30 or Leo 1A1 who get disabled by autocannen fire.
I agree
I can understand the tiger but in this case why kv220 is still 5.7?
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Yeah no. KV-85 100% deserved 0.3 increase.
It has really good gun and has amazing mobility for a heavy tank.
And if KV-85 could find hull down you were basically facing IS-1 in your 3.7-4.3 tank.
This also goes well with KV-1 Zis-5 moving to 4.7 that was also way too powerful at 4.3 br.
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No russia nerfs? no t-55 nerfs? no 2S38 NERFS? NO BMP-2M NERFS NO IS7 NERF NO OBJECT 279 NERF NO KA-50 NERF NO KA-52 NERF no russia nerf?
cool but continue burying japans tech tree 6 more feet into the grave by putting type 89 and type 87 rcv to 9.0 to fight against the most op russian lineup in the game (t-72, 2s38, bmp-2m, su-25) good job! ill enjoy being uptier every game against wallet warriors! thank you gaijin.
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If this Rating changes is like a week ealier, I think lots of player wont even get 692G
Its useful against helicopters IF the fuze works and if they arent too high up to where the gun can aim than the vt is pretty much pointless. If you get the one helicopter shooting missiles it can be useful but often times they move all over so the round misses.
The APHE point works on headons that’s partly true against but russian APHE has utterly dumb slope modifier that let you get around with shots it shouldn’t pen. I know how to use darts but its often times way better to use the real cheat round of the game that is aphe since if you have a lr you can quite easily aim at like between the tracks for example. Even with darts hitting a moving target is really easy just aim where they are going and you are bound to hit them. OF 40s are pretty surivable even with their poor armor since like the m60 the crew is spread out which unless you hot the ammo they can take a hut and escape. Same with the leopard 1 and amx 30. As well they were made to resist auto cannons which is something they do quite well.
I have no idea where the point of the m60a3 mobility being awful comes from its not as bad as it is made out to be its not great but its not bad. As well the 88s mobility isnt leopards like lol. Its faster than the am1 but it comes with a trade being used that armor which is a fine trade.
The Tam is certainly better. The ability to be quieter better gun handling as well well having the egine eat shots is huge
The 279 is “insanely broken” because it isn’t as common so people don’t know where to shoot it. moving it to 9.3 and having it fight things that are faster, practically immune from it, and can see it first isn’t going to fix it. It will only make it unusable and a detriment to the team. Until Gaijin can decompress that BR range to where early cold war tanks aren’t fighting 2000s vehicles in an uptier then yeah, it should.
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I would like to hear a reason why the su-25 and the ka-50 didn’t move up
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I think the planned BR changes to the Tigers, Panthers and other WW2 era tanks is going to have a negative effect on the community unless you plan to increase higher tiered vehicles or plan to reduce to likely hood to face cold war era tanks.
The Tiger H1/E & Panthers shouldn’t not be amended, Germany struggles enough with getting a team that can work together, please don’t make it harder by making them face much stronger opponents.
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Something something statistics. I don’t use either so I can’t really say why.
Simply put, Germany has been getting babied forever, now they need to learn how to git gudder. To be honest the German 6.0 Lineup is going to be fire, and quite diverse.
The Type 16’s going up in BR make sense
VIDAR should be at 8.3 in my opinion
And I Disagree with the Type 87 RCV and Type 89 going up. You guys already nerf everything out of the Type 89 why is it going up in BR
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I think it would be a good idea to expand ground to BR 12.3 or higher. Also, please nerf the Ka-50 if you’re nerfing the Apache A models. The Ka-50 flies better and fights everything better.
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japans tech tree will just die. the type 74’s are fucking useless versus t-55, t-62’s, t-64’s, t-72’s, Due to gaijin constantly changing how traverse works for wheeled vehicles the type16 was mediocre barely being able to go up hills and Sand maps are literally pain, meanwhile the type 87 rcv (p) sits at 7.7 with a 20mm cannon with 66mm of pen. meanwhile BTR-80A 7.3 with a 30mm cannon and 82mm of pen.
type 87 RCV can literally only tanks by shooting them in the side or back.
type 89 formerly a godlike IFV at 8.3 with really good ATGM’s, insane 35mm oerlikon cannon with 127mm pen. now its at 9.0 with useless missiles. basically a glorified CV90FIN(useless)
and yes no russian heli’s being nerfed has me screaming and scratching my wall like a mental patient.
i appreciate your concern for my beloved japan vehicles
sincerely,
the 1 japan main
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