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Wrong. Necessity of lineups: A 3 tank 5.0 lineup works better than a 2 tank 4.7 lineup. Tank performance mathed against its peers: subjective, based on which stats you consider more important and therefore get weighted more in your “math”. you already demonstrated a laughable opinion on huge cannon performance increases versus minor mobility increases.

keeping the M4A1 76 at 4.7 and the M4A2 76 at 5.3 = 0.6 difference. putting the M6A1 at 4.7 and the T1E1 at 5.3 like you suggested = 0.6 difference. Which is TWO BR steps.

Yes, reverse speed is important. but not enough to warrant 0.6 difference in BR over a tank that is otherwise almost the same. it is also coupled with a little worse hp/t. 0.3 BR difference is enough.

the GUN coupled with the stabilizer is what puts the M4A1 76 at 5.0. the difference in mobility and armor isn’t much compared to other medium tanks around its BR range. The only standout is the VK 3002, which should probably be 5.3 anyway. But even compared to that, the M4A1 76 is more agile and has much better gun handling.

again, “destroying the BR range” is completely made up. they are moving a tank that is singled out at its BR one step higher. it is not destroying ANY lineup for the US. They just aren’t creating your make-a-wish fantasies.

Based on what? your personal opinion probably.

Full uptiers are uncommon. the M4A1 76 can easily penetrate most 5.7 tanks. (it also has the stabilizer advantage for reaction time)

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Stupid changes, just recompressing the tiny little bit that was decompressed in the first place, what is the point of moving 7.0 to 7.3 and 7.3 to 7.7 if a month later you move 6.0 to 6.3 and 6.3 to 6.7 and recreate the situation all over again.
And top tier did not increase in BR so good job, you’ve achieved nothing.

7.0 to 7.7 is still dominated by France and Russia after you deleted the lineup of every other nation in that range, you did not move those up so it’s absolutely miserable and now you shove even more vehicles into that bracket.

Haven’t touched this game in months as you guys make it worse every time.

Special mention for uptiering all the helicopters but the Ka-50 is not among them.

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Nah most of these BR changes are complete utter BS non of which should have even been suggested let of lone thought of and planned to change like M4A1 76 going to 5.0? When it’s fine and 4.7 or the fact that the Tiger ll H going to 7.0 for some odd reason when it barely can survive 6.7 with up tiers it get 90% of the time or maybe that the YAH-64 is going to 11.0 with zero counters to AAMs or to planes in general but one the worst parts is that the VIDAR is only moving up to 8.3 with have not only TVDs but a two plane and LRF with 1 shot kill HE (98% of the time) I feel like I speak for most people when I say this is by far the absolute worst BR change list I’ve ever seen it really goes to show the Dev truly don’t play their own game let alone care about it cuz if they cared what so ever they would realize how dumb the changes are like IMP1 going to 11.0 all bc of 1 person getting over 1k kills in it wow big whoop doesn’t mean it goes to 11.0 or the fact they completely got rid of American 8.0 and made it 8.3 when all of those vehicles don’t stand a chance at 9.3 (which they’ll get up tiered to 90% of the time) like instead of decompressing the BRs they insist on compressing them further to make game play more horrible like I for one don’t wanna be facing 8.0 vehicles in my WW2 tank that can’t even pen them past 500m but they can throw some APDS at me accurately and completely negated my armor like how is that fun at all? If anything they should go back and lower the BRs to make better line ups like put the American 76s back down to where they were like 2 years ago they never needed to go up in BR same with the Super Pershing that needed to stay at 6.3 not move up to 6.7 when there were already plenty of 6.7s. All I’m sayin is that I hope people agree with this and the Devs find the reason in their minds to make the right decision cuz if not it’s gonna ruin ground for a long time before they realize they made a mistake.

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I’m not sure what patch you are referring to here, but Clearly you have not tried the Type 79’s on the 89 after this “fix”.
Either these changes are not Live yet (but can’t find the patch notes for them) or you are assuming they were fixed

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NO WAY A-6E 10.0 TO 10.3???

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user das_commiekiller is upset about the tiger 2 being uptiered, who could’ve guessed lmao

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Well clearly you didn’t read what all of it im upset about all of the changes cuz it clearly didn’t work for the 105 Tiger being at 7.0 all that time ago and it won’t work for the regular Tiger so I find it quite stupid

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regular Pershing to 6.7???
This is absolute proof no one at Gaijin actually looks at these changes before suggesting them. Even at 6.3 it was a big downgrade from every US heavy at 6.7, now it’s the same BR for a considerably worse vehicle. T25 being a 6.3 was a big laugh as it is.

Still makes no sense why the M4A3 76 is 5.7 when its armor and firepower doesn’t substantially improve over the M4A2.

The BR changes at 9.X are just disgraceful, this means that all of these vehicles will be fighting the 10.0/10.3 RU/Germany lineups all day long. Way too much compression at rank 6 now.

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The Tiger II (P) is at 6.7 now. It’s no massive deal.

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Thermals isn’t an argument for 9.0, most MBTs at 9.0 don’t have thermals (Leopard 1A1, OF-40 Mk.2A, Type 74 (e) and (f), etc.)
The turret is still far better armored than most other 9.0 MBT turrets. It can still bounce early darts that aren’t aimed well because of its shape.
Its dart is roughly similar to other 9.0 darts, and is well capable of killing TURMS, even frontally. The T-55’s darts are ALOT worse than the ZTZ88s. They have around 120mm pen at 60°, while the ZTZ88s have over 200mm pen at 60°. The T-55s are also less mobile since they have much worse engines.

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Give the F-4C Phantom AIM-7E’s, the jet doesn’t have any countermeasures and it’s not the best flight performance wise. A lot of people try to bomb bases in this jet which make it very susceptible to getting into dogfights at low level which isn’t really what it was meant to do. The radar isn’t spectacular and since you’re planning to put the Su-25BM at 11.0, it’s gonna face some of the best IR missiles in the game. Giving the F-4C AIM-7E’s will incentivize people into going high altitude where it should belong.

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They don’t need a 5.3 or 6.3 lineup, the Germans are still extremely strong, now they just don’t club tanks that definitely deserve to be at a lower BR than them.

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The Otomatic is inferior to the 2S38 in almost every way. The “fix” to radar folding means that the tracking radar does not fold, making it more visible/vulnerable. IFVs with optical aircraft tracking is infallible. Radar tracking is not.

Spookston made an entire video explaining the shortcomings of the Otomatic:

The T129 is a failure and was quickly withdrawn from sale. Its ranged weapons are virtually unusable. What is the criteria that led to a BR increase?

A.109EOA-2 - changes to the targeting square in the gunner’s sight have made it very difficult to use and it will only keep going down in BR until this is fixed. Italy has no 8.7 lineup.

Heavy Tank No.6 (Japan) - the impact on the limited number of lineups for minor nations or vehicles changed to have no lineup, resulting in them no longer being used never seems to be considered.

AMX-50 (TO90/930) / Char 25t - This leaves France with a 7.3 lineup of 1 useable tech tree vehicle & 2 useless tank destroyers + 1 premium. The 7.7 lineup will consist of 7 vehicles (including premiums).

Helicopters of one particular nation seem to have been overlooked in this round of changes…

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Good.
Next up is the A-10A Early and Su-25/Su-25K.

To launch an all-aspect missile against pre 1953 jets and get a kill without using brain cells was ridiculous to say the least even BR is compressed like hellhole.

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Exactly doesn’t need to be at 6.7 it’s fine at 6.3 where’s it’s been for the past 8 years or so it’s been in the game. You definitely have experience going against Tiger lls while being in a higher BR vehicle and losing

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Not good

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The Su-25BM should not move out off the 12.3 bracket with its r-73s. Moving it to 11.0 would put it up against 10.0 to 11.0 for 90% of their matches and they already have their hands full with 9l’s magic 2’s and r-60’s.

If they heavily underperform its due to players getting it when not ready for top tier dont balance them just on that performance

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KV-1 ZIS-5 struggles to pen M4’s why its going to 4.7? because other players cant learn the weakspots more obvious and easy to pen than a M4 weakspots (mg port)? it already get uptier’d to 5.3 against tiger that can pen 165mm vs 96mm of pen, its not even compared to the T-14 that one has less weakspots. and IS-2’s going up again? and they will fight 7.7 tanks? so now a ww2 tank will fight post war tanks with APDS and HEAT with 4s reload, nice balancing

Just reduce the uptier from 1.0 to 0.7

If the KV-1 Zis 5 deserves 4.7 then the Panzer IV H and J deserves 4.7 or 5.0 too because it pens 148mm AT 3.7 BR!!!

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Alot of people have been saying that about the M26, but it honestly doesn’t even trade that much armor for better mobility compared to the T26E5. The other two heavies have much worse reload speed and are even slower. Generally the M26 is a medium and therefore fills a different role to begin with.

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My thoughts on all of the Ground RB changes:

SU-122 to 2.7 is something that should’ve happened a while ago. Honestly, that thing would be just as good as the M4A3 105mm at 3.0.

3 inch Gun Carrier to 3.0 I guess is understandable but eh… it being a higher BR than the SU-122 feels off to me.

M42 Contra to 3.7 is ok cuz the Wirbelwind is the same BR and they have the same weapon system. The Wirbel is probably flatout better now but oh well, par for the course.

Ystervark to 4.0 I don’t understand at all. It has the same gun as the R3 at 5.7. If anything, despite being difficult to use, it should go up in BR instead of down.

ZSD63 to 4.7 is a good change, it’s extremely strong right now.

KV1 Zis-5 to 4.7 I also agree with, but they really should also move the KV1B and KV1E up .3 as well at minimum.

Crusader AA to 4.0 I don’t have any strong feelings about.

Bosvark to 5.3 is fair enough because they’re moving the BTR-ZD up as well.

KV-85 to 5.0 needed to happen AGES ago. It’s been ridiculously strong for a while and it still will be strong at 5.0, just sparing the poor 3.7s.

M4A1 76 to 5.0 is also a good move, the stabilizer really gives you some of the best firepower in that BR range.

All of the Tiger 1s and Panthers going up .3 is understandable, though German mains will cry about it. They are all ridiculously strong compared to 5.7-6.0s of other nations.

BTR-ZD to 5.7 is fair enough as previously mentioned, considering how strong the 23mms are for AA.

Skink to 5.3 is the second really puzzling move I see on the list. Does not make much sense that this weapon system will be 1.7 BR higher than the German Equivalent (Wirbelwind), despite the Skink’s marginally better survivability.

The IS-2s all going up I do not understand, because none of the other Soviet heavies are not moving. We’ll get to that.

Ratel 90 to 6.3 I am lukewarm on. On the one hand, it absolutely should be at a higher BR than the ELC bis, but on the other, this tank doesn’t really seem like that big of an issue at this BR bracket thanks to its glaringly obvious flaws.

M41s to 6.3 (lekpz to 6.7) also should’ve happened with the prior decompression. They’re some of the most popular tanks around the BR for a reason, that being how strong they are as light tanks (especially compared to stuff like the Ratel, and especially the ELC bis).

Centurion MK.2 to 6.7 I don’t have any strong feelings on as I haven’t played the tank, but it doesn’t seem offensive to me on paper.

Tiger 2 P to 6.7 also should’ve happened a while ago, but why the hell is the Tiger 2 H not getting moved up to 7.0??? That makes absolutely zero sense.

Pershings being moved to 6.7 on paper makes sense on first glance, but THEY ARE THE SAME BR AS THE T26E1, T26E5 AND T34 NOW?! That is an absolutely ridiculous notion, considering all of these heavy tanks do not have any major drawbacks in comparison to the M26s, while at the same time getting much better guns (T34 and T26E1) and much, MUCH better armor (all three). This move cannot happen without these other heavy tanks being moved up, which is a common theme with these BR changes.

T92 to 7.0 I do not agree with. I think it being the same BR as the German M41 is fair, even though it’s slightly better.

G6 to 6.7 is a good move, large cannon HE vehicles are suffering right now (outside of the VIDAR).

The Char/AMX 90 moving up to 7.7 and getting their actual reload speed seems like it would be a good move, if not for the heavy tanks absolutely dominating the BR bracket right now. Why should these two face object 279s, T-55 AM-1s, and all of the other fully stabilized dart slingers at 8.7? This also doesn’t help France 7.7’s incredibly bloated lineup, which is pure comedy when looking at the MASSIVE br gaps and half-lineups the rest of the tech tree has.

Only other Vehicle I feel like I have enough experience to talk about is the VIDAR. I’m just glad they moved it up at all, though like many others, I think it should be fine at 8.3.

Now for the important part: Where the hell are all of the high tier heavy tanks that are absolutely DOMINANT from 6.7 to 8.7 now??? Tiger II H, T26E5, T34, T29, M103, Maus (I do not care, German mains. The Maus should move up with the rest.), IS-3, IS-4, IS-6, IS-7, Conqueror, and ESPECIALLY the Object 279 are MURDERING everything else in their BR ranges right now, and it is paramount that Gaijin restores what should’ve happened prior to the last major BR changes. It’s absolutely inexcusable that these tanks are roaming around completely brain off with nobody able to touch them in downtiers or even slight uptiers. Even though it would make my French Main persona very sad, I would even argue that the Somua SM and AMX 50 Surbaisse/Surblinde should move up to preserve the parity, when they do move up these heavy tanks (and they absolutely NEED to.)

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