Why can the Tiger E face this
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Are we gonna see 2S38 nerf/br change? cause currently it has one of the best autocannons with good APSFDS, plus proxy shells with similar performance to like the swedish SPAA in the same tier.
A nice change would be to limit/outright remove the proxy shells.
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The T25 lost its stabilizer and its performance stayed more or less the same. The stabilizer helps but it’s often overblown as justification for putting US tanks at higher BRs.
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AMX TO90 and Char 25t got a BR raise because they’re also getting their reload buffed from 6.7 to 4.0, which alot of people were pushing for bc it’s historical. Gaijin is not concerned much with keeping lineups for specific tanks, which is most likely the better choice over letting tanks overperform just so other tanks can have a lineup.
Somua still works well at 7.7, or you can fill your lineup with things like the AML-90, AuF1, AMX10M, Foch… even the AMX M4 can still work well at 7.3 MM, if you really want another tank similar to the Somua.
Please, for all that is good Gaijin, the M26 is perfectly fine where it is. US does not need another 6.7 tank in a BR bracket that’s already saturated with much better tanks.
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Moving the ZTZ59D1 to 9.0 would make it by far the weakest tank at that BR
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The solution is not moving it, it already sucks at its current BR with the absolutely shameful rotation, now they’re also taking away the only good thing it has
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How are the M1128 and M1128 Wolfpack still at 10.0 for GRB…
These not only have better thermals/optics with comparable mobility to stuff like the CT-CV event vehicle for Sweden yet have over 520mm of pen with both having M900 available.
Either remove M900 and keep them at 10.0 or move them to 10.7 considering they have shells to comfortably deal with anything it would face in that 10.7-11.7 range
2S38 yet again still sits a full 1.0+ BR lower than the HSTVL and literally the only draw back is the slightly weaker main APFSDS shell… move this thing to 11.0 because its literally a better HSTVL/Otomatic and somehow sits lower than both.
I understand the Tiger H1 going up 5.3<5.7 BR but I don’t understand the Tiger E and the Panthers going up 5.7<6.0 BR. Tiger 2 P is understandable to go up from 6.3<6.7 BR but I don’t agree with that. The Germans will not have a 5.3 and 6.3 BR line.
IS-2 at 6.3, RuSsIaN BiAs, stop crying for once
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My battle rating suggestion for some vessels I’ve played recently, and the explanation :
Japan
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Furutaka AB/RB 5.7 → 5.3
Weak armour, mediocre mobility, small crew and only 6 main guns. The AA armament is terrible. -
Aoba AB/RB 5.7 → 5.3
Same as above, but with better AA. Not good enough for 5.7. -
Agano AB/RB 5.3 → 5.0
It’s poorly armoured, has mediocre mobility, poor main guns with terrible penetration and low fire-rate after the ammo stowage is empty. The AA is terrible, consisting of only 8x 25 mm and 2 twin 75 mm. -
Hatsuharu AB/RB 4.3 → 4.0
It’s very fragile, having a small crew of 218 sailors, average mobility, terrible AA and it can’t equip the excellent Type 93 torpedoes. The guns have low fire-rate and no AP shells. It’s worse in every way than the Yugumo that sits at 4.3.
Great Britain
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HMS Calpe RB 4.3 → 4.0
Very slow, armed with 102 mm guns and no torpedoes. It also has a small crew count. -
HMS Brissenden RB 4.3 → 4.0
Same as above, but with 3x torpedoes. -
HMS Abdiel RB 4.3 → 4.0
It features the same main armament as the two previous vessels, but it has worse AA armament in exchange for higher top speed. Also, no torpedoes. -
HMS Churchill AB/RB 3.3 → 3.0
It’s terrible at everything but AA. Only 1x 102 mm gun, terrible speed and poor durability.
Italy
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Dardo AB/RB 3.7 → 3.3
Not the best main armament, survivability, poor AA and torpedoes -
Leone AB/RB 4.3 → 4.0
Poor survivability, as it’s a very old design and it has a very small completement. Very poor AA, slow firing main guns, below average mobility, and bad torpedoes. -
Corazziere AB/RB 4.3 → 4.0
Poor survivability, weak main armament, poor AA and torpedoes. -
Da Verazzano AB/RB 4.3→ 4.0
Terrible mobility, weak AA and not the best main armament. The torpedoes aren’t that good either. -
Impetuoso AB/RB 4.0 → 4.3
Excellent main guns paired with radar aiming, superb AA and very good survivability -
Bartolomeo Colleoni AB/RB 5.0 → 4.7
Terrible fire-rate of the main guns (4 rpm) is the main reason. The armour is bad. Weak torpedoes.
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IS-2 is just a smokescreen to hide the untouched vehicles
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Good changes overall, but I see many long awaited missing changes in air AB :
Early jets :
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French F-100D and chinese F-100A 9.7 → 9.3 : like the american one which is better in every way.
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American, italian and french F-84F 9.0 → 8.7 : like the israeli and german ones which are identical. Terrible flight performance for a 9.0 aircraft.
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Israeli and french Mystere IVA 9.0 → 8 .7 : it has no IR missiles, no afterburner and worst aerodynamics compare to the Super Mystere B2 which is also 9.0. The 30mm canons are good but a 8.0 sabre has better flight performance and its energy retention is terrible. The comparison is even worse with a 8.3 Javelin or Scimitar !
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Mystere IIC 8.7 → 8.3 : same issues than its big brother but with even worst flight performances.
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AV-8A 9.3 → 9.7 : almost untouchable if flighted well with its countermeasures, huge climb rate and (too much) good missiles for its BR.
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Yak-38 (the standard one and the M) 9.3 → 9.7 : insanely good missiles for its BR.
Props :
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Also in air AB the japanese Ki-84 hei at 7.7 is way too high for a prop plane with poor top speed. My recommandation 7.7 → 7.0.
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All the Ki-49s should go respectively from 3.3 and 3.7 to 3.0 and 3.3 as they are poorly armored bombers with small bomb loads and average speed compare to other nations at the same BRs.
Finally for ground AB : E.B.R. (1951) 4.3 → 4.0 this gun is ridiculous at this BR.
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Seriously with how Warthunder players talk about the stabilzer you’d expect every US world war 2 tank is running around with Abrams level gun laying.
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Type 89: Remain at 8.7.
Can we please not further bury this sad sad vehicle? It has already faced a nerf in every possible regard over the last few years and since the ATGM changes it can barely use it’s missiles anymore… How on this green earth is this justified?
IF this was still the same Type 89 from years ago I would agree, but it has been struck with the short end of the stick repeatedly and hard since then.
A part of me dies looking at the state of the Type 89 today. I still remember when it could actually hit with the missiles and fire them on the move. Paired with a clip reloaded gun that felt soo much better that the First stage single reload BS going on right now…
Side-note: How come a lot of Western light armored or IFV’s get moved up and the most broken ones (for their tier) 2S38 and BMP-2M remain at 10.0?
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how about Gaijin just leaves the dev server open 24/7 and always updates that first to get feedback on their kinda shitty changes they thought up? Like any other game out there is also doing… Even LoL is doing that for forever.
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Where’s the change for the F-5C?
The F-5C is the only vehicle in this BR that dominates everything else in almost every aspect.
While many vehicles don’t even have flares, this thing has flares, rockets, great maneuverability and very good acceleration + decent top speed. There is probably no other plane in this BR that would dominate the game to such an extent. it shouldn’t be in that place, the Chinese version is 10.7 and that’s exactly where it should be
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The ZTZ88s shouldn’t be going up to 9.0 they don’t have thermals, the addon armor isn’t a huge benefit when everyone aims for the turret with the mobility being a selling point but other tanks that are at 8.7 do it far better and are more meta than it. the dart while good shouldn’t be facing a turms which will just eat it alive. There is no reason to move it up unless you move up the T-55s which I doubt will happen since the AM-1 makes money. in fact it is comparable to the AM-1 while having worse survivability to it while being worse in other ways.
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Fitting name
and since the ATGM changes it can barely use it’s missiles anymore…
The recent SACLOS missle change pretty much made every SACLOS guided missles useful again. Please read patch notes before saying stuff like this.