Planned Battle Rating Changes for October 2024

Ground realistic, KF41, 11.0 > 10.7

Almost not working APS, No armor like its counterpart, Bad spike launcher position, and a manned turret.

Unlike its counterpart (Puma VJTF) KF41 doesn’t have an unmanned turret, APS is also mostly not working, Spike launcher always faces up so can’t be used in close range, and with 11.0 KF41 won’t have a line-up

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Upgrading missiles and moving airframes upwards is almost always less enjoyable in my experience. I wouldn’t want to be in a Viggen dogfighting F16s every game, versus playing it where it is now with relatively enjoyable downtiers. Also, the less Fox 3s that can be downtiered into the 12.0-12.3 range, the better imo.

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Is not bad idea specially when Israel have the Magach 5 with APFSDS and reactive amor at 8.0.

Anyways time to insert this rq…

Early MiG-21 variants (AB): 8.7/9.0 → at least 9.7, preferably higher. (but thats my own bias speaking, so prob just 9.7)

To be frank these aircraft are incredibly oppressive, and due to how AB works can face jets as early as the Sk60 or Vampire. This is completely unfair and stupid, and needs to be corrected now.

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Ground Realistic
Vehicle: 2S6
Proposed BR Change: 10.7 → 11.3
Reasoning: Eight 10km range SAMs with 32Gs of pull, radar with automatic lock system, four 30mm autocannons with AP shells of 65mm of penetration at 10m, Gen 3 Thermal sights.

Once upon a time the 2S6 was considered the equivalent to the ADATS in terms of performance. I still believe it is, if not better. Player performance should be irrelevant compared to a vehicles capabilities. Anyways-

To begin, the 2S6 reigns supreme in a downtier. At 9.7 there is only IR SAMs and SPAAGs. It straight up just outranges everything on both the enemy and friendly team. If you spawn a 2S6 in a 9.7-10.3 game you just have straight up better missiles than anything else and have first dibs on anything that spawns. This remains true up to 11.7.

The 9M311-1M SAM travels at 910 m/s, has 32Gs of pull, and has 10km of range. The Roland 3, for comparison, has 570 m/s of speed, 20 Gs of pull, and 8km range. The next best SAM of the category is the BOLIDE and it has 700 m/s of speed and 25Gs of pull. The 9M311-1M just beats everything at this stage. While this does put it in it’s place for 10.7 as a .4 BR higher than these contemporaries, over all it will be playing with 10.3s more often than not sitting at this BR either due to 10.0-11.0 being a super common BR bracket for games.

That brings up the next issue with the 2S6. With most nations not having any 10.7 SPAA, the 2S6 is pretty much the dominant force in the 9.7-11.3 area. This is because anyone who has 11.7 vehicles is more likely to also have high tier planes. These planes artificially bump up BR and push normally 11.7 line-ups higher and makes more room of 11.3 and below. However this makes the 2S6 the defacto highest tier SPAA of this area. A former end of the line top tier SPAA being the main SAM system in a bracket of 10.3 SAMs is not healthy.

Next is the little things that don’t matter as much but definitely put it a notch above everything else. For example, it has four 30mm cannons blasting out 65mm of pen point blank at a ridiculous rate of fire. This shreds lighter vehicles.

It’s radar is significantly more advanced than the ADATS with automatic lock allowing you to skip the process of searching the vertical plane for targets so long as you’re pointed in the right direction. This counteracts it’s only theoretical weakness in that is has little to no optical zoom for it’s sights.

To conclude, the 2S6 should be at minimum 11.3 if only because this will keep it’s intrusion into the 9.7-10.3 BR to a minimum while still providing the wide variety of 11.3 MBTs SAM coverage. If I was to be honest, you could probably put it at 11.7 with the Pantsir foldered behind it but that would probably be asking for too much.

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Air RB - F-16ADF (Italy) from 13.0 to 13.7. Instead of decreasing BR, just give this plane the weapon it actually used in the Italian service (AIM-120 and AIM-9L/I-1 or M) as heavily requested by the Italian community and increase the br in accordance with new weapons. This will not only make it closer to real Italian F-16, but will also give Italy actual Italian top tier jet.

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although countermeasures at 8.7 is not as useful as higher brs because most of the missiles at this br are dodgable. but i think a-4b should be 8.0. basically every bomber should be shifted a little. i don’t think B-57 is at it’s fair br for example because i don’t think it has any chance to bomb any bases and get back safe. i don’t think it’s possible.

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Heli PvE: can we get BR changes in that mode??

So like why is the Kügelblitz still 7.0? It is at most 6.7 material, hell it’s dosen’t even have a full HVAP belt, even after you people nerfed it’s penetration, what the hell.

Put it into 6.7
Give it a full belt of HVAP (If you want HE in the belt, then use the dedicated HE belt!)

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Premium players with Leo 2A4M/T80UE1 + no SPAA need to face 12.7 CAS now, well balanced.

i think you never played, maybe you’re right for GR RB but definitely not for SB

Would be better to do what they did with the Tornado F3. Add a second airframe for that.

Ground RB, (Leclerc, Leclerc S2), 12.0 > 11.7 Due to Merkavas and Ariettes getting a reaload buff the Leclerc has no longer a reload speed advantage against as many tanks. This is why i suggest that the Leclercs that have (marginaly) worse armor and no commander thermals should be lover br and not on the same scale as their upgraded counterparts. Due them having to take bigger risks to spot and kill targets before they shoot back and kill you. At the moment the Leclerc relies on its mobility and reload speed to be effective and bringing more tanks to chalenge its abilities will make these “worse” versions more diffilcult to play. (dont play top tier arcade cannot confirm if said changes would be good to apply to arcade)

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Air Realistic Battles(RB), Me 262 A-1a, 7.0 > 6.7, reasoning:

  1. Effectively a 1943 jet placed directly against late 1944-1946 jets that are superior in all major specs.
  2. Current BR is a leftover of legacy rating systems that took into consideration volume of fire. Me 262 A-1a is armed with x4 Mk108’s that have very poor ballistics and are completely synchronized which means makes them difficult to shoot at smaller single engine planes.
  3. Currently faces MiG-15 and F-86 in uptiers. It was even a source of PR controversy almost 10 years ago. Since then MiG’s and Sabres were pushed above its’ BR bracket but were recently reintroduced as part of decompression in April 2024.
  4. German Tech Tree has a harsh transition from 5.7 and 6.0 props to 7.0+ jets. Meanwhile 6.0-6.7 is a mainstay fro super props of which Germany has only one(Ta 152) which has a specific gameplay style. Me 262 A-1a and He 162 could be a replacement for lack of such planes and gameplay.
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RB,Pantsir-S1,11.7>12.0,I found aII most SPAA has not been adjusted(Except chaparral), Pantsir-S1 so strong,this vehicle has the longest fire range SAM in the game,Especially after most MBTs are adjusted from 10.3 to 10.7, aircraft of the same BR will have a high probability of encountering Pantsir-S1,it really bad

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VIDAR nerf when and 2s38 needs additional nerf.
We know Ayit and A5C gets nerf but F104A/C F8U2 and J7E too are OPs and need BR raise

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RIP 5.7s though. Let alone the weak 6.0 Bombers that are already DOA if they see 1x Me262

I have played SB, i agree they aren’t great but move them up in SB then they again become obsolete with what they fight. They dont have the armor to compete and are gimmicky snipers. SIM for russia around that area is rough tbf but the strv 103 definitely isnt the problem.

Agree, dunno who thought that M48A2 G A2 is fine against T-55As or anything stabilised 8.0+
It shouldn’t be anything higher than 8.0, losing the APFSDS is not much of a loss to me either, so either this or give it a stabiliser.

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12.0 for Air RB would be fine.