Could the devs consider unnerfing the M247? The VEAK 40 sits at 8.7 while having way better mobility, AP shells and an easier stock grind (HE-VT tier I). Either give M247 full HE-VT belts (500 rounds not 250) and remain at 9.0 or reduce the BR to 8.7.
The EBR (1954) is useless on arcade on 6.7
The M4A1 (FL10) need the PCOT-51P
And the other increases for French tanks make no sense
It has R-60s and R-13M1s compared to R-13M. Its a great aircraft with excellent manuverability which allows it to dodge most missiles. R-11F2SK is also only a bit worse than R-13-300.
Compare it to the F-4C or Mirage IIIC or F-104G/J or F-4F early or MiG-23BN
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The SMT has way more flares and a actually good RWR over the MiG-29G plus a better radar
While I understand moving the f5e to 11.0, to not then move the f5c up in any way makes it look like extreme bias
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I’m happy with the 29G where it is to be fair I don’t think it needs to go up, additionally Germany can’t really expect anything new until the Eurofighter but I wouldn’t be overly opposed if it too went up. (I think stats would force it back down anyway)
They have a large supply of 9M’s and the best engines around. It’s not anyone’s fault is you average American pilot insists on trying to mouse throw against zeroes so to speak while ignoring all of the tools at his disposal.
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F-4F’s BR in SB is higher than F-4E, when will you fix this?
I don’t deny that it might not be very powerful for it’s BR.
But to say it’s the same as the APHE that is found on US 90 mm cannons is plain wrong.
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I’m not having F-15 ^^"
But i did tried each aircraft Intest flights, and i know weapons.
I’m avle to adapt to any aircrafts, but F-15 is barely capable of Dogfighting a Mirage 4000 which already is far better (flight perfomance wise) than a Mirage 2000. (And i eat F-15 for breakfast in M2000)
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Can you please buff the RoF of the M48?
The M48 is a super sad tank, since it was introduced to the game, that suffers immensly from having the same RoF a freaking Panther or Tiger II H, same as the old M26, despite having a enourmes turret with ready racks.
In WT the M48 only gained armor comapred to older tanks with the 90mm gun but the firepower didn’t improve because it’s stuck with the same low RoF of a WW2 tank.
This makes it objectively less effective than the previous models of US tanks.
Nowdays the T-54s even had their RoF increased to the same level as the M48, despite having a vastly larger gun in a smaller turret.
Did French did something to Gaijin?? what the heck are these changes
AMX-13 (FL11) has short 75mm and worse trajectory than american one, It makes no sense to raise AMX-13 to 4.3 while M24 which even has Stabilizer and heavy machinegun is at 3.7
And how about the Char 25t, AMX-50 (TO90/930) and Somua SM, it’s good, but not that good to raise to 8.0, then it can met Object 279s and can’t even pen its side armour with these
And why Mustang Mk IA goes 3.7? it’s just same with P-51(RB 3.3) in American techtree
A6M5 Ko at 5.3 is just too much while A6M5 Otsu which has armour and heavy machinegun is at 5.3
All zeros after A6M3 are just too overrated
F4U-4 has extremely powerful when it comes to 4.3
And most importantly F-104A is just madness when uptiered(which happens 80% of 8.~ game), with 8.~ vehicle, can’t even chase it, can’t even hit with early missiles, ofcourse it can’t turn well but what mad man would try to turnfight with in F-104 they just boom n zoom all the time and early jets can’t do anything
We need to expand BR much more than we do now
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With Gripen going to 12.7 will its flight model nerfs be reverted?
All will be in regards to realistic battles.
Aircraft:
Germany
-
Ju 288 C
6.0 → 6.3 -
Me 262 A-1a
7.0 → 6.7 -
Me 262 A-1a/Jabo
7.0 → 6.7
USSR
-
P-39K-1 (USSR)
2.7 → 3.0 -
P-39Q-15 (USSR)
3.3 → 3.7 -
P-63A-5 (USSR)
3.3 → 3.7 -
ITP (M-1)
4.0 → 4.3 -
Yak-3
4.3 → 4.7 -
TIS MA
4.3 → 4.7 -
Yak-3P
5.0 → 5.3 -
Yak-3U
5.7 → 6.3 -
Tu-1
5.3 → 6.0 -
Tu-2S
5.3 → 5.7 -
Tu-2S-44
5.3 → 5.7 -
Tu-2S-59
5.7 → 6.0 -
SU-9
7.0 → 7.3 -
SU-11
7.3 → 7.7 -
MI-24A
8.7 → 9.0
USA
-
P-36C
1.7 → 2.0 -
P-400
2.0 → 2.3 -
F4U-1A
2.7 → 3.0 -
P-39N-0
2.7 → 3.0 -
P-39Q-5
2.7 → 3.0 -
P-63A-5
3.3 → 3.7 -
XP-50
4.0 → 4.7 -
P-63A-10
4.0 → 4.3 -
P-63C-5
4.0 → 4.3 -
P-59A
5.7 → 6.3 -
F2G-1
6.0 → 6.3 -
P-51H-5-NA
6.3 → 6.7 -
F-84B-26
7.0 → 7.3 -
F-89B
7.0 → 7.3 -
F-89D
7.0 → 7.3 -
B-57A
8.3 → 8.0 -
A-4E Early
8.7 → 9.0 -
A-6E TRAM
10.3 → 10.7
UK
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Stirling B Mk III
4.7 → 4.3 -
Spitfire Mk 22
6.7 → 6.3 -
Spitfire Mk 24
7.0 → 6.7 -
Vampire FB 5
8.0 → 7.7 -
Canberra B Mk 2
8.3 → 8.0 -
Canberra B (I) Mk 6
8.3 → 8.3 -
Venom FB.4
8.7 → 8.3 -
Buccaneer S.1
8.7 → 8.3 -
Buccaneer S.2
9.3 → 9.0 -
Hunter F.1
9.0 → 8.7
France
- Yak-3 (France)
4.3 → 4.7
Sweden
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B-239
2.3 → 3.0 -
J22-B
3.7 → 3.3 -
SK60B
7.0 → 7.3 -
SAAB-105G
8.3 → 8.7
Isreal
- A-4E Early (M) (Isreal)
8.7 → 9.0
Ground:
Germany
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Pz.38(t) n.A
Rank 1 → 2 -
Pz.IV F2
3.3 → 3.7 -
Pz.IV G
3.3 → 3.7 -
Pz.IV H
3.7 → 4.0 + Rank 2 → 3 -
Pz.IV J
Rank 2 → 3 -
KV-1B
4.0 → 4.3 -
Tiger II (P)
6.7 → 6.3 -
Kugelblitz
7.0 → 6.7 -
RakJPz 2
8.0 → 7.7
USSR
-
BT-7M
2.0 → 2.3 -
SU-122
2.7 → 3.0 -
BTR-152A
2.7 → 3.3 -
T-34 (1940)
3.3 → 3.7 -
YaG-10 (29-K)
3.3 → 3.7 -
KV-1 (L-11)
3.7 → 4.0 -
T-34 (1941)
3.7 → 4.0 -
BTR-152D
3.7 → 4.3 -
KV-1E
4.0 → 4.3 -
T-34-85 (D-5T)
5.0 → 5.3 -
T-34-85
5.3 → 5.7 -
M59/57
6.3 → 6.7 -
SU-122-54
6.7 → 7.0 -
Object 906
8.0 → 8.3 -
IS-7
8.3 → 8.7 -
Object 279
8.7 → 9.0 -
Shturm-S
8.7 → 9.0 -
Strela-10M2
9.3 → 10.3
USA
-
M22
2.0 → 2.3 -
M4A3 (105)
3.0 → 3.3 -
M26
6.7 → 6.3
UK
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Churchill VII
4.7 → 4.3 -
Falcon
8.3 → 8.0 -
Chieftain Mk 3
8.7 → 8.3 -
FV102 Striker
Add spotting
Japan
- Ho-Ri Production
Reduction in Horse Power
China
- ZSD64/PG87
4.7 → 5.0
Italy
- OF-40
8.0 → 8.3
France
- M4A3 (105)
3.0 → 3.3
Sweden
-
L-62 ANTI II
2.7 → 3.3 -
SAV 20.12.48
3.7 → 4.3 -
Sherman III/IV
3.7 → 4.0 -
Pbv 501
6.7 → 7.3 -
Ikv 91
7.7 → 8.0 -
VIDAR
8.0 → 8.7
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I have to admit, these are some wild changes :D
Especially the french 7.7 going to 8.0
That is just vile, guys
Maybe Gaijin doesn’t want us, players, to play french tanks afterall. I don’t know. Moving AMX-30 1972 to 8.0 was wild change, given it has only HE and HEAT rounds, no APDS, no APFSDS (AMX-30B2 and BRENUS have APFSDS), no stab. But I may be wrong.
But, I want a solid explaination. @Stona_WT please, you, mister, have posted these changes, can you playes reply and explain why french 7.7 tanks go up? And I am asking you, because, it’s like politics. When politicians or ministers, or prime minister, are implementing a law, they owe people explaination why and what they expect to happen. I want you, dear sir, to tell me why some of 7.7 ground vehicles are moving up and what it is, that Gaijin expects to happen?
Because, from my point of view, I can tell you, that it will only make any remaining french player harder time to squeeze any fun remaining in that tree c:
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Gaijin, top tier Air RB is in a very poor state.
In my 10+ years of playing War Thunder I have hardly seen it this bad.
Please consider max 0.7 BR uptiers at 10.0+ in addition to these BR changes.
I’m starting to actively leave 1.0 uptiers because of how unbalanced it is (and I am not the only one).
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That example doesn’t work as it misses a important factor which is the heat mate
The T20 should always have a higher BR as Panthers because it’s simply a more efficent vehicles.
Mobility (including amazing reverse speed)
RoF
Stabilizer
Makes the T20 simply better for either up or downtier.
9.7 is still comically low for the Strela.
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Positive changes overall hopefully Gaijin keeps it up