F-15A, F-15J, F15A Baz 12.3 → 12.7 : IRCCM missiles combined with fairly decent flight performance, completely outclasses 11.3 and the majority of 11.7 aircraft. Ideally they should never see each other.
AH-64D variants (except AH mk1) 11.7 → 11.3: They are not comparable to helicopters with F&F capability or proxy fuse ATGMs. High missile count does not make up for efficiency. Hellfires are unreliable and time to target is uncomfortably bad. Presence of 11.7 SPAA completely shuts down this helicopter.
MiG-29 (All variants) 12.3 → 12.7: There is not much to say. R-27ER carriers should never ever see 11.3-11.7 aircraft.
F-4J (UK) 11.3 → 11.0: Mediocre flight performance and only having access to rear aspect IR missiles & short range radar missiles. It is certainly not at the same level with aim-7f carrying naval phantoms. Either give it aim-9L or decrease its BR.
AJS-37 11.0 → 10.3: No internal gun or built-in countermeasures. Has to carry pods which reduces the ordinance it can carry. Having access to an underwhelming loadout of 4x TV guided early mavericks.
Most importantly, Sweden has no proper lineup at 11.0 to include this vehicle. This vehicle is a burden of its own kind.
HSTV-L 11.3 → 11.0: Flanking oriented vehicle with ridiculous engine sound which eliminates the possibility of a stealthy approach in most maps. Incredibly underwhelming gun. Creates no spall.
Has no place at 11.3 when a comparable vehicle (2s38) with better capabilities sits at 1.3 BR lower.
Mirage 2000C-S5 → Stay at 11.7: Identical to S4 except for CM count. Having a little more CM does not warrant a BR increase. Both variants have enough anyway.
2S6 10.7 → 11.0 : Almost on par with top tier SPAA after its missile got fixed. Currently it stays at only 0.3 higher than Roland which does have terrible performance compared to this vehicle.
Type-16 need Fix asap !
please give it Type93 APFSDS and make it 9.7 ! at current situation it is almost impossible to grind with it efficiently. Current shell is too weak and can’t handle up tier .
Of the changes listed here all seem OK, with one glaring fault. The Saggitario 2 should NOT be 9.3, It’s flight performance (which is the only thing it has) is far worse than that of the ariete, and they should not be the same BR. It simply does not have the acceleration nor the energy retention of the ariete. It will not have the speed to be able to dodge all aspect missiles, like the ariete can. even at 8.0-9.0 the Saggitario is one of the slowest fighters, only regularly being able to effectively catch the likes of the vampire.
If the MiG-21SMT/MF, A-10, Su-25, F-5C/A, FRS.1, AMX, etc were all moved up, then i could see it being playable, but at that point you might as well just keep the saggitario at 9.3.
Another problem i have with this list is more the lack of certain vehicles. The Shengyang F-5 is, in terms of flight performance, identical to the Lim-5P. The only differences between them is the Shengyang can carry 2 PL-2 missiles (very poor 10g early missiles), the radar, and the Lim swaps a 37mm for another 23mm. Seeing as the MiG-17, and MiG-17AS also share a BR while having a difference in missile loadout, I think it’s only fair the Lim-5 and the Shengyang get the same treatment. if it were 9.0 it’d be an attractive premium whereas it isn’t even a consideration at 9.3.
Many flareless gunfighter subsonics at 9.3 (like the shengyang) don’t do well at all, and would sit well at 9.0. The planes that should be moved down include: the G-91Y/YS, J32B and Shengyang F-5.
As for tanks i would like to see the OTOMATIC moved to 10.3, as an SPAA it’s worse than any top tier SAM all the way down to the Tunguska, Stormer or Roland. It’s more comparable to the 2S38 or Lvkv 9040C. In an anti-tank role it’s worse than both the 2S38 and 9040C, not only is it limited to carrying only 12 APFSDS, but it has an extremely massive turret (the 2S38 is a small crewless turret), no HEAT protection (both the 9040C and 2S38 have this) and it is less mobile, weighing in at 46 tonnes. The HSTV-L should also be moved to 11.0 for similar reasons.
I’d agree with this so long as it includes the yank J and S since they’re the same plane just minus skyflashes
FGR2 and FG1 could join it as well, though they do at least have decent engines
if you are going to move the cannon mustang to 3.7 also move the american one to 3.7 or just keep the british one at the same br, this makes no sense at all
It’s the only thing that I play consistently at that BR, only because Gaijin refuses (or is incapable) of making the APDS round reliable or consistent with it’s damage. I get tired of having to pepper an enemy tank with a Vickers Mk1 over and over again at times even when aiming for ammo, or crew.
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F-105 should go up (possibly more than 0.3 BR).
It’s a plane that is near impossible to catch and planes at those BRs don’t have missiles that can help here realistically.
With new brackets it would no longer even meet 10.7 which means that almost no non-premium plane can realistically intercept F-105 going low at full speed to bomb bases.
gaijin again having a hate bonner against french tank, no way is the bat chat worth the same br as an object 906. no idea what stuff yall smoking but i want some.
oh and yeah, looking foward facing Object 279 with my glorious 200mm aphe shell.
char 25t and amx-50 (930) are now at the same br as the object 906? And that’s not even with their HEAT round added? Am I missing something?
Yep, its why I dont play that BR anymore. If I play GRB, I play CR1 or CR2
R60M VS AIM9M, who will win?
type 99 goes up but nothing on vidar lol, also just make falcon 12.7 it should save you from extra work lol
Can the Kugelblitz finally go down? Why on earth is a Panzer IV chassis SPAA at 7.0? It is not performing well, is difficult to use with it’s higher velocity shells compared to the previous SPAA, has to fight jets and has absolutely zero lineup options at 7.0, and by the time they get to 7.7 and 8.0 there Wiesel is already available, and the Gepard shortly after.
Meaning there are absolutely zero uses for the Kugelblitz, who may I add, still has it’s HVAP belts heavily nerfed by making 66% of it’s HVAP belt filled with HE shells, and having 200 rounds in a belt, it means only 60 rounds are actually effective, HVAP that has been nerfed several times over as wel and only has 70mm of pen remaining because you keep finding ways to nerf it.
Meanwhile Russia gets the M39/59 with 100% HVAP at 6.3 that also has an extra 20mm of pen and is way more difficult to kill due to the exposed crew and shells not detonating.
The roof armor of the Kugelblitz is only 20mm at most, which isn’t going to protect the crew all that much either.
And the Coelian is not available for newer players either forcing players to use the Ostwind or Wirbelwind instead, leaving an unnecessary gap in BRs when the Kugel can EASILY be 6.7 which the statistics justify.
And you said literally a few weeks ago:
We’re closely monitoring the data and believe that at the moment, there’s no need for an increase to the current Battle Rating threshold for aviation from 12.3 to 12.7.
But a few weeks later suddenly things changed? Even though a month ago this was blatantly obvious already it needed an increase, don’t know why you keep playing these games.
I don’t understand why Zero was moved up to 5.3 though.
It’s already at a point where to win a fight, your opponent needs to make mistakes most of the time.
These changes are seriously going to impact french mains. We will not have any good spaas before br 5.7
AMX 13 DCA 40 does not belong at 5.0. Alteast add new spaas to fill the gap between 2.3 and 5.3
AMX M4 should stay at 6.7. It will never survive 8.0 uptiers.
Both the tpk 6.41 and the amx 10P are perfect at 5.3 They give french players a decent spaa to use with the ebr 1953 and arl 44.
The amx13-FL11 is going to suffer so badly at 5.3. Only m61 and poor mobility (compared to ebr 1951) will hurt it badly.
AMX 50 and Somua SM to 8.0 is killing the 7.7 lineup. Also they are not going to survive encounters with stabilized leo 1s.
Char 25T to 8.0 is just stupid. It shouldn’t be able to face stabilized tanks like the leo 1
R-73 vs Aim-9G, who will win?
Lets move the Su-25 and Su-39 up then if missiles are the only thing to be conisdered
F4S and F4J need to be move to 11.7 with 12.7 dropping, these still have no reason to be facing 10.3s and if they stay 11.3 will now be exempt from top tier.
Strela still sits at the same BR as the Ozelot… who is actually coming up with this? Strela still has superior missiles and the ability to lock helis up at longer distances, these are not the same in capabilities.
Remove 9L
I disagree, Starstreak is bugged as all hell and doesn’t have its IRL 100mm+ of penetration. It might be better than the others but its marginal and the ATAS is a more reliable kill IMO. Its’ not on KA-52/MI-28 level even if it is better than the others.
The rest I agree with though.