A Mirage 4k with MICAS would be at least 13.0
In that case I would prefer a early and late Mirage 4000. One with only Magics and one with 14 or so MICA advanced AAM
That difference in performance would be too huge
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Players have asked for something like that several times.
Most of the time, the answer to that would be that queue times would be too long.
But it would be interesting to hear what gaijins standpoint on that topic would be now.
The playerbase is still growing and br decompression is also a thing that would not be a thing because of queue times. I think that it was because of that. I am not 100% sure though.
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The M1A2 and SEPv1/2 are so close in performance that if the Chally 3 is comparable to 1 it’s also comparable to the other 2.
Also saying that the SEPs are comparable to the 2A7V and 122s is a huge joke.
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ZTZ-99 is worse in reverse and reload speed, and generally less mobile than the Abrams
You’re not just comparing one for one here
French vehicles with 209 pen at 8.0 seems unlikely to be reasonable. I think this will be less than any other 8.0 vehicle (other than AA). These already struggle at 7.7 in an uptier, with several Soviet and German tanks that are effecively invicible from the front.
If these get an increase in BR they will also need a better shell in order to actually deal with the better armoured enemies.
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You have rights to be sad,… but F-15A is a capable aircraft, you moqt US players (and i talk of main US players) are bad in average, that’s facts,… that’s affects the whole Balance because of how many newbs goes for those trees in comparison to minor TT’s
Having played both I feel that the 11.7 Abramses and ZTZ99A are pretty close in terms of mobility.
I would also like to remind everyone comparing the French 7.7 and 7.3 getting up in BR (poor AML-90 and EBR) that not only their guns are absolutely hopeless where they’re ending but that their turrets are essentially unusable in any other conditions than pure static ambush: not only are they not stabilized but their oscillating turrets are so poorly modeled in the game that they take at least a dozen of seconds to stop bouncing up and down when you try shooting while/before/after moving. Which makes their turret traverse and elevation speed, their reverse speed and their reload speed essentially irrelevant outside of the aforementioned static engagements…
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EBR and Char 25t equivalents are at 7.7 - 8.0, so it going to 8.0 is perfectly normal.
AML-90 equivalents are at 7.7 +/- 0.3 BR, so that’s perfectly normal at 7.7.
AMX-50 (TO90/930) and Somua SM going to 8.0… I haven’t fully wrapped my head around. I know they are performing above other 7.7 mediums in War Thunder.
However, there are no real equivalents at 8.0. T-54s are given HEATFS as an option.
Vickers Mk1 I guess but that has a stabilizer & is slower.
@Solid_AsVal
And M10 Booker as the new addition to US armored forces.
Size limitations as proven in a historical report that was actioned on.
Fins interfere with other equipment.
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quite literally mind boggling, its just so illogical changes
Why should a casemate tank destroyer be the same BR as the Surbaisse which has the same gun but autoloaded and a turret? Foch feels functionally useless last time I played it, if anything it should be 7.0
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I will keep it quiet short this time.
Proposed changes regarding RB mode only.
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SKR-7 and SKR-1 change BR from 4.3 to 4.7 or 5.0.
=> Both are way better than any other 4.3 coastal machine and can even fight off same BR or higher DDs or CLs due to their massive amount of auto cannon damage plus Torpedos and rockets. A uptier of this vehicle is really needed. -
Tornados attack/ground strike variants (examples IDS WTD61or Marineflieger), 11.0 to 10.7 or even 10.3.
=> They don’t have guided air to ground weapons, only 2 AIM-9Ls and subpar flight performances similar in capabilities to 104s regarding a dogfight. With the reduction in BR the WTD61 might get viable as a premium instead of the cynical joke it currently is. -
M-51 and M-51 (W) should both move down from 6.0 → 5.7 or 5.3.
=> They have a good gun bu the lack of stabiliser makes it in no way nearly as good as other 6.0 vehicles. Plus their HEAT rounds can be quiet random when it comes to penetration and/or damage. -
Black Prince 6.0 → 5.7 or 5.3.
=> Armor similar to 4.7 Churchill and same gun as 4.7 Firefly, no Idea why the combination makes it 6.0. -
KV-1B (German) and KV-1E (Russia) 4.0 → 4.3.
=> Both vehicles way over perform and stomp nearly everything around their BR.
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4.7+4.7 = 9.4 so with your logic give it 9.3 problem solved.
I don’t know what you are thinking but Char 25t and EBR “equivalents” in Russiand and German tech trees are essentially 1 or 2 BR lower. Otherwise, feel free to quote at least 2 which actually are at 8.0 and show why you see them as equivalent. I won’t hold my breath though… LOL.
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By the way, I fully expect that even after these silly changes, French tanks will still overperform. Because the problem is, pretty obviously, not the tanks. It’s a skill issue!
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Hi
could you explain how to read this list?
i understand that it is about the Sim Battles rotation for BR but i don’t understand how it is practically implemented or how to read it.
Su-122-54 6.7 → 7.7
T-54 (1981) [which is 8.0 med] chassis with good mobility and armor, insanely powerful 122mm gun with APDS rounds with 330mm penetration and HEAT-FS with 400mm penetration. In comparison for example Germany have 350mm penetration apds and 400mm on HEAT-FS at damn 8.0 on Leo 1…
6.7 vehicle with 8.0 hull, mobility and 8.0 firepower isn’t it too op gaijin? Also we can’t forget about 2x14,5mm HMG which are annihilating every light armored vehicles in 0.5 sec… BALANCED xd
There is NO SINGLE REASON to let is stay at 6.7.
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