All BRs set to +/- 0.7 as the max up and down BR.
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- GRB, PT-16/T14 mod. 10.7 > 10.3. While a capable vehicle it is not equal to a 2A4, T-80BV/T-80UD/BE, T-90S, Vickers Mk.7, Challenger Mk.3/DS.
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Mode: Air Realistic Battles
Aircraft: F4F-4
Change: 3.0 → 2.7
Reasoning: The Martlet Mk IV (a Lend-Lease F4F-4 for Britain) is at 2.7, while the American F4F-4 sits at 3.0. Sure, its armor makes it fairly survivable, and its firepower is respectable with limited ammo. However, it’s not as fast as its peers and can easily lose energy in sustained turn fights. The fact that it shares the same battle rating as the F4U-1A (USMC) makes no sense, as the F4U-1A outperforms it in almost every aspect.
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- GRB, Namer Tsrikhon. 11.3 > 10.7. It is very bad for even 11.0, let alone 11.3. The Namer 30 is better than the Tsrikhon and it at 10.7 so have them both there.
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Mode: Air Realistic Battles
Aircraft: PBM-5A “Mariner”
Change: 3.7 → 3.0
Reasoning: The PBM-5A is a particularly slow seaplane bomber, even slower than the PBM-3 due to the added weight from additional equipment. At its battle rating, it is highly vulnerable to advanced fighters and interceptors armed with cannons.
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Mode: Air Realistic Battles
Aircraft: F6F-5N (All)
Change: 4.3 → 3.7
Reasoning: Although it is armed with two cannons, the F6F-5N still uses the same powerplant as the original F6F-5 (BR 3.3). As a result, its flight performance suffers due to the added weight and drag from the cannons and radar pod. Every time you fly it, you’ll struggle to keep up with your team because of its extremely slow climb rate. Cannons alone should not justify an unnecessarily higher battle rating.
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Mode: Air Realistic Battles
Aircraft: B-17E/L
Change: 5.0 → 4.7
Reasoning: Since the B-17G-60-VE is being reduced to a BR of 5.0, the B-17E/L should also be lowered, as its flight performance is nearly identical to the B-17E, sharing the same powerplant and suspended armament.
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I think you guys should give some of the lower tier aircrafts different BR for ground realistic battles because clearly some of them are way better compared to others
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Mode: Air Realistic Battles
Aircraft: F4U-1C
Change: 4.7 → 4.0
Reasoning: I believe this Corsair is significantly overtiered, as it shares the same 3.0 airframe as the F4U-1A (USMC) and F4U-1D, along with the same powerplant—not the more powerful F4U-4. While its cannons and dive speed are impressive, gaining altitude is necessary for effective boom-and-zoom tactics. However, the F4U-1C suffers from a poor climb rate, causing you to lag behind your team at the start of the match and struggle to secure an altitude advantage as often as you would with other aircraft. Personally, I’d rather fly the F4U-4, as it delivers much better performance compared to the F4U-1C. Cannons alone should not justify an unnecessarily higher battle rating.
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Mode: Air Realistic Battles
Aircraft: B-24D-25-CO
Change: 5.7 → 5.0
Reasoning: Since the B-17G-60-VE is being reduced to a BR of 5.0, the B-24D-25-CO should also be lowered. Its larger profile and fragile, long wings make it an easier target for enemies, often leading to rapid destruction. Additionally, it is slower than the B-17G, further justifying a BR of 5.0.
Mode: Air Realistic Battles
Aircraft: F9F-2
Change: 8.0 → 7.7
Reasoning: The F9F-2 is somewhat of a struggle bus, as its flight performance is underwhelming compared to the F9F-5 and F9F-8. It closely resembles the F2H-2, which sits at 7.3, and shares very similar flight characteristics. Additionally, the F9F-2 struggles even in a support role, as it is easily outperformed by MiG-15s and Sabres in sustained dogfights.
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- GRB, KF41. 11.0 > 10.7. The KF-41 is so terrible but the lowest it can be put where other things like it are is at 10.7 where the Vilkas, Freccia, and CV 90 Mk.IV sit.
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Mode: Air Realistic Battles
Aircraft: A-7D
Change: 10.3 → 9.7
Reasoning: Since the F-105D and F-4C are being reduced in BR, the A-7D should also be lowered. As a subsonic aircraft with suboptimal flight performance, it struggles to compete at its current BR. At present, it feels overtiered and burdened by outdated BR placement.
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Mode: Air Realistic Battles
Aircraft: A-7E
Change: 10.7 → 9.7
Reasoning: The same reasoning applies to the A-7E as with the A-7D. Since the F-105D and F-4C are being reduced in BR, the A-7E should also be lowered. As a subsonic aircraft with suboptimal flight performance, it struggles to compete at its current BR. At present, it is overtiered and burdened by outdated BR placement.
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ARB- F-104G (Germany). 11.0>10.7
The F-104G, while an excellent and underrated aircraft, is not equivalent in capabilities to other aircraft at its current BR, and is even challenged by aircraft a step (or two) below it in BR. There are aircraft with similar performance and armament capabilities below it in BR already, such as the MiG-21MF and J35D/XS Drakens, and two of those examples are about to drop below the Starfighter even further, while being just as capable (if not more so, in some ways, given their better maneuverability). The aircraft should be at a BR that reflects its capabilities and armaments, and it is not equivalent to many of the aircraft it faces at 11.0. It also should follow these aircraft down in BR to act as a counter. Furthermore, the aircraft it faces in an 11.7 or 12.0 uptier match can so completely outclass it that even a dedicated Starfighter enjoyer will find themselves hard-pressed to accomplish much. Therefore, the BR should be reduced. This applies to all the F-104G variants that have countermeasures across all nations.
Furthermore, post flight model adjustment, the late model F-104s are much more limited in their performance. While the issue of the F-104 being able to pull excessive and incorrect angles of attack and excessive G-Forces has been fixed, it is clear that this was done by increasing drag on the airframe to incorrect levels. Therefore, the Starfighter is also hampered in its ability to retain energy, which it was historically quite good at doing. Being able to sustain a high-speed, high energy turn was a significant tool that the Starfighter could make use of, but right now, because of the flight model adjustments, it is very difficult to do. Turns of any kind produce a loss of speed and energy that seem excessive for the angle of attack and G-Forces being experienced.
The flight model should be revisited to ensure that its performance across all variants is a correct representation of its capabilities.
Thank you for your consideration.
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Mode: Air Realistic Battles
Aircraft: A-7K
Change: 11.3 → 10.7
Reasoning: Since the BR for Air RB and Ground RB is now separated, the A-7K, which uses the same powerplant as the A-7D and A-7E and is subsonic, should be lowered to 10.7 and retain its AIM-9Ls. Currently, its flight performance hinders its ability to function as an optimal attacker in air RB.
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Mode: Air Realistic Battles
Aircraft: F-20A
Change: 12.7 → 12.3
Reasoning: Since the F-16 is being moved to 12.3 and has overall better flight performance than the F-20A, and considering that the F-20A currently shares the same BR as the F-16 ADF, the F-16 ADF outperforms the F-20A in terms of RWR, flight performance, countermeasures, and missile load. For these reasons, the F-20A should be lowered to 12.3.
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Mode: Air Realistic Battles
Aircraft: B7A2 (Homare 23)
Change: 3.7 → 4.0
Reasoning: I’ve played this aircraft a lot in Air RB, and I must admit, it’s a monster with airspawn, giving it an uncontested energy advantage. This aircraft dominates every Air RB match with its ridiculously good flight performance, which allows it to hold its own against Bf-109Fs and XP-50s. It can easily intercept and destroy bombers, often outdoing other fighters. I consistently net 5-8 kills per match in this thing, which speaks volumes.
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ARB- F-104G (Italy). 11.0>10.7
The F-104G, while an excellent and underrated aircraft, is not equivalent in capabilities to other aircraft at its current BR, and is even challenged by aircraft a step (or two) below it in BR. There are aircraft with similar performance and armament capabilities below it in BR already, such as the MiG-21MF and J35D/XS Drakens, and two of those examples are about to drop below the Starfighter even further, while being just as capable (if not more so, in some ways, given their better maneuverability). The aircraft should be at a BR that reflects its capabilities and armaments, and it is not equivalent to many of the aircraft it faces at 11.0. It also should follow these aircraft down in BR to act as a counter. Furthermore, the aircraft it faces in an 11.7 or 12.0 uptier match can so completely outclass it that even a dedicated Starfighter enjoyer will find themselves hard-pressed to accomplish much. Therefore, the BR should be reduced. This applies to all the F-104G variants that have countermeasures across all nations.
Furthermore, post flight model adjustment, the late model F-104s are much more limited in their performance. While the issue of the F-104 being able to pull excessive and incorrect angles of attack and excessive G-Forces has been fixed, it is clear that this was done by increasing drag on the airframe to incorrect levels. Therefore, the Starfighter is also hampered in its ability to retain energy, which it was historically quite good at doing. Being able to sustain a high-speed, high energy turn was a significant tool that the Starfighter could make use of, but right now, because of the flight model adjustments, it is very difficult to do. Turns of any kind produce a loss of speed and energy that seem excessive for the angle of attack and G-Forces being experienced.
The flight model should be revisited to ensure that its performance across all variants is a correct representation of its capabilities.
Thank you for your consideration.
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ARB- F-104G (France). 11.0>10.7
The F-104G, while an excellent and underrated aircraft, is not equivalent in capabilities to other aircraft at its current BR, and is even challenged by aircraft a step (or two) below it in BR. There are aircraft with similar performance and armament capabilities below it in BR already, such as the MiG-21MF and J35D/XS Drakens, and two of those examples are about to drop below the Starfighter even further, while being just as capable (if not more so, in some ways, given their better maneuverability). The aircraft should be at a BR that reflects its capabilities and armaments, and it is not equivalent to many of the aircraft it faces at 11.0. It also should follow these aircraft down in BR to act as a counter. Furthermore, the aircraft it faces in an 11.7 or 12.0 uptier match can so completely outclass it that even a dedicated Starfighter enjoyer will find themselves hard-pressed to accomplish much. Therefore, the BR should be reduced. This applies to all the F-104G variants that have countermeasures across all nations.
Furthermore, post flight model adjustment, the late model F-104s are much more limited in their performance. While the issue of the F-104 being able to pull excessive and incorrect angles of attack and excessive G-Forces has been fixed, it is clear that this was done by increasing drag on the airframe to incorrect levels. Therefore, the Starfighter is also hampered in its ability to retain energy, which it was historically quite good at doing. Being able to sustain a high-speed, high energy turn was a significant tool that the Starfighter could make use of, but right now, because of the flight model adjustments, it is very difficult to do. Turns of any kind produce a loss of speed and energy that seem excessive for the angle of attack and G-Forces being experienced.
The flight model should be revisited to ensure that its performance across all variants is a correct representation of its capabilities.
Thank you for your consideration.
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