Planned Battle Rating Changes for February 2025

Realistic battles.
Strf 9040C
BR change to 10.0.
Reason:
Firing an inferior round to 2S38, its competitor at 10.3, while being a notably slower vehicle.

More reason:
Fixing the Abrams and Type 90 turret rings would make them more survivable against this machine specifically.

1 Like

Realistic battles.
P-51H-5-NA
BR change to 6.7.

Reason:
Its flight performance exceeds all other props at its current BR of 6.3 to the point the minor negative in its weaponry aren’t an issue for its combat performance in realistic game modes.

2 Likes
  1. The T-72 family and the T-80 family are completely two different vehicles 2. Turn on the armor analysis and see the ERA arrangement 3. the lower plate does not have a composite, only the composite overlaps from the upper plate… which does not help anyway (resistance about 200 mm for apfsds). 4. Survivability should also take into account the ammunition carousel, which is arranged in the letter L, which extremely reduces the durability compared to the T-72B. regarding reload time, I agree that a shorter reload time can save lives, but this is not a rule, mobility is better, it is true, but there is no such difference as a traditional gas turbine engine. If the T-80UD is to go higher, then the turret armor should have at least the strength of the T-72B 89 and the front hull armor should be identical to that of the T-80U. Then no objections.

EBR(1954), Add PCOT-51P as promised years ago, 180mm pen is not worth at 6.7, should be consider as AMX-13

Lorraine 40t 7.7- 7.3 (RB)
After buffing AMX-50’s reversing speed, Lorraine is now totally worse than AMX50, due to the armor issue.

Char 25t 8.0-7.3
only 215mm pen APHE can’t make it better than Somua or AMX-50s, at least it is worse than object 906

5 Likes

Churchill mk.1: Down BR, 3.3 to 3.0

Reason: The Churchill mk.I, with decent armor but a 2pdr gun, has no place in 3.3, exposing itself too much to vehicles that are too powerful for it, without forgetting that the 3.3/3.7 constantly gets played in 4.0/4.3. The battle rating reduction would do it a lot of good.

Chieftain Mk.3 : Down BR, 8.7 to 8.3

Reason: As with the case above, the Chieftain mk.3 is let’s say… Very slow, hyper slow and it does not have APFSDS ammunition like most of its competitors at the same level and you’ve have the Mk5 (little engine boost is making the different) in the same BR. The vehicle would be equivalent of the M60A1 (AOS) or the T-55A which had their battle rating reduced some time ago. It would be great if the Chieftain Mk.3 followed suit.

Tortoise: Down BR, 6.7 to 6.3 or ADD its historical 32pdr APDS

Reason: The unloved mastodon needs some love and should be reduced to 6.3. However, it could stay in 6.7 if the latter receives its missing APDS. (please ADD Centurion 32 pdr, for Battlepass.)

Black Prince: Down BR, 6.0 to 5.7

Reason: The big old forgotten, for years. It only has good armor which can be very solid, but this remains his limit since there are many opponents for it who are between 5.3 and 6.7, without forgetting that, it’s largely handicapped by his mobility mediocre. Offering it its place among the 5.7 like it would be perfect with tigers.

Stug III in Germany, M24 from USA and Italy : Put them in rank III.

Reason: These vehicles have copies in other nations (Japanese M24 and the Italian Stug III) at Tier III, so they need to be placed correctly and help new players to make Warbonds Challenges easier.

Panzer IV F2/G/H : Raise BR , 3.3/3.7 to 3.7/4.0

Reason: Panzer IVs are powerful vehicles, great for new players, their battle rating in 3.7 and 4.0 was perfect, bring them back to those ratings and upgrade them to Tier III.

T-72AV: Raise BR, 10.3 to 10.7

Reason: T-72AV. This one has caused a lot of ink to flow for far too long. Its imposing performances are in part too important to fight 9.3 area and it would be good the vehicule join its fellow premium MBT 10.7

2S38: Raise BR, 10.3 to 10.7 minimum
Reason: HTVL russian version with alot of ammo, should be raise for a lot time.

M56 Scorpion: Down BR, 6.7 to 6.3

Reason: The panzerJager 4-5 is in 6.3. Same gun, same ammunition, same game technique. The difference is that the M56 is lighter, but too exposed, being able to be neutralized by the Coax of the vehicles, which makes it a big obstacle. Note that there is the M50 Ontos in 6.7 which is already a tank destroyer.Downgrading him to 6.3 would help it in its fragile situation.

T20: Down BR, 6.3 to 6.0

Reason: Panthers are better, sitting at 6.0 and raise the vehicule to 6.3 was an error.

1 Like

Air Realistic Battles, Mig 15, 8.0 > 8.3.
The mig 15 has ridiculous performance for it’s absurdly low BR. Me 262’s and other ww2 era planes should not be able to face it in combat, it was fine where it was in 8.3

5 Likes

Make sure to read the main post

1 Like

I agree, if it goes down too much it clubs stuff. we really should be at 15.0 now, but since gaijin would rather go bankrupt than do that, I’ll humbly ask for 14.3/14.7

Im more and more leaning towards reducing the matchmaker to be +/- 0.7 instead of its current +/-1.0 rather than endlessly trying to decompress. The effect would be the same, but it would be instant, a fraction of the effort and ultimately more effective in the long run.

6 Likes

Yeah, and I’ve seen that for more and more people. but the community is so full of kids and whackos that they make it impossible to suggest that change without severe discourse.
I’ve seen SO many people white knight for gaijin over this suggestion it’s just crazy.

2 Likes

Yeah… Unfortunately

1 Like

Very mixed on the changes as a whole, I’m very glad that the J35s are finally being moved down in BR. They’ve been very hard to play for quite a while now, will definitely be picking up playing with them again after these changes!

Ground Realistic Battles, 2S38, 10.3 > 11.0

10.7 is not enough

Air Realistic Battles, F-4EJ Kai, 12.3 > 12.0.
Realistacaly we know this plane should have it’s AAM-3 loadout (as seem on this accepted bug report: Community Bug Reporting System) but since it doesn’t have it’s AAM-3 and faces planes with lower BRs with missiles such as the Magic II, PL-8 and Python 3, which are all vastly superior to the EJ kai’s loadout, it either should have it’s BR lowered or have it’s missiles added

3 Likes

You’re crazy to move the KPZ-70/MBT-70 to 9.7 when they are the vehicles that suffer the most when playing it and more specifically in America.

Their APFSDS ammunition is too poor with its penetration of 285mm at 0 meters at 0 degrees of inclination, try to penetrate a T72 or T80 with that or with full uptier as you propose (9.7/10.7) if you penetrate a Leopard 2A4, M1 Abrams or T90A you won’t penetrate it even to break the gun chamber.

In fact, those vehicles need to lower 0.3 Br and more the MBT-70 and no, having a 20mm gun doesn’t justify being at 9.3 since you won’t even get a 2S36 down with that gun to justify it.

2 Likes

it is pure nonsense that F-4EJ Kai, which has superior AIM-9L IR to having same BR as F-4J(UK)

AIM-9L might be inferior to those IRCCM missiles but still way superior to AIM-9G/P

2 Likes

mirage2000cs5 should just stay in 12.3,m2k in 12.7 with only headon PD mode and only 4 missle will be too hard to get kill and in 12.7 there is f16a and mig29,how can m2kcs5 beat these 2 jet?and in 13.0 there is f15a and su27,mirage2000cs5 should only stay in12.3

6 Likes

We Need Decompression

Make Air top tier 14.7 to allow some decompression.

9 Likes

How else am I gonna interpret it when you said the Iranian F-14 should stay 12.7 and being upset the Block 10 will go down to 12.3

1 Like

Agreed, and as a base bomber, the A5C in 10.7 has to race against much faster base bombers in the slight uptiers such as F4E and Tornados