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You can’t get close enough so it doesn’t matter.
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It sure is when your alternative is to make them as good as fighters at the same BR as them by giving them advanced air to air missiles that is unheard of except on these planes at that BR.
Su-22 is not ever meant to be low enough to where it is fair in air to air relative to a MiG-21bis…
What is this meant to mean
Nope. I speak on a game that isn’t compressed all to hell where supersonics start at 9.7-10.0. The planes you are super scared of would be a higher BR as well.
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- Vehicle: BI Gamemode: Air and Ground Realistic BR Change: 6.7 → 7.3 Reason: At 6.7 is well known that BI is overperforming everything it faces, while me163 is at 8.0 BI could be at 7.3.
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So? 21SMT at 10.7 alongside the better J-7D makes far more sense than putting it at 10.3 again while its counterparts STAY AT 10.7
Are you bad at the game and don’t understand how good the Ariete is? Probably about to say something like “it has no missiles!” or something?
if that’s crazy to you there’s no way you’re any good at this game, to be blunt.
Yet you cite them as a reason for the F-4C to be the same BR. How ignorant.
No, they do not do this. It literally has never happened once in this game’s life full stop.
One singular example? You also easily win this just by forcing a 2 circle ratefight…
This is HARDER to dogfight than the previous example, are you aware of this? You do not present it as such.
Depends on pilots and what they choose to do… it is not that simple. Air RB is also not a matter of dogfight this or dogfight that… the F-4F straight up has far better missiles than the F-4C… it doesn’t have to dogfight squat.
Sure. F-4C should be 10.0 then by that logic, not 10.3 alongside the F-4F Early.
Yep and they expect to use this as feedback somehow when a good portion of it becomes unreadable because of that?
It’s not relevant to anything that you “worked” for it. The game should seek balance regardless. That balance currently means IRIAF going up. I am in support of TECH TREE F-14A and F-14B buffs so don’t start.
No… awful idea. J-7E is one of the best 11.3s as it is. The J-7E is FAR superior to the J-7D.
Yeah, it does
Which only furthers his point
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Doesn’t belong at same BR as F-4C.
its almost like 13.0 is where it belongs currently
When is the max air BR going to go to 14.7 or 15.0 as it desperately needs it?
Also f14s are getting the phantom power creep treatment and have useless unless in a downtier. F14s should not see euro fighter, rafale or j10. it is such an incredibly unfair fight of the f14. Please listen to our feedback and give us these changes.
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Agree on first half, your second half is too close to the argument F-14 players want to make (put us at 12.3-12.7 only so that we can stomp everything! … essentially anyway)
Decompression is the only good way forward.
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GRB, Su-17M4 11.0 > 10.7
Two TV guided missiles alongside two laser guided missiles is far weaker against ground targets than the A-10A Late at the same BR with six IR guided missiles. Alongside that, just .3 higher and you have the MiG-27K and Su-24M which are FAR more powerful.
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Ground realistic
PUMA VJTF
11.0 > 10.7
Bad gun, only 4 spikes, not very fast (for a light tank), terrible survivability, and it’s a huge target. Crazy how the freccia is below this. Only way I can see it as a 11.0 vehicle is if it gets 8-12 spikes.
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That I think it is very good, and undertiered. Apologies if that wasn’t clear.
Ground attack capability shouldn’t matter as much in air RB as it does elsewhere. Right now, both the 21bis and Su-22s have the exact same missile loadout, and their BRs should reflect that. There’s no excuse for an Su-22 to be higher than the Mig-21bis while being worse in an ARB setting.
another br change with nothing for air sim. the F-4C and F-4E are the same BR, the standard SU-27 is forced to fight against Rafales, Eurofighters, and F-15Es, the F-16 BLK15s are still 13.0, the Netz is still 13.0. and i’ve probably forgotten a few more. why has sim not gotten any br changes for the last 2-3 br changes for RB?
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Air Sim, Jaguar GR,1 10.0 > 9.7 The extra fuel and one extra bomb carried by the jaguar does not warrant it being .7 br higher than its peer the Harrier GR.3 at 10.0 I feel that a reduction of .3 or even .7 br for the jaguar would make it more competetive in its respective bracket.
Air RB, F-16A ADF 12.7 ‐> 13.3 (or 13.7). Give the plane weapons it used in the Italian service and move it higher in BR. The plane should receive its TWS mode and ability to carry AIM-120B + AIM-9L/I (or AIM-9L/I-1), AIM-7M should be removed.
The BR gap between F-16A ADF and F-104S.ASA can be later filled with other planes, for example F-104S.ASA-M equipped with AIM-9L/I and L/I-1.
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Vehicle in question: KF41, GRB/GSB
BR: 11.0 to 10.7
No real distinguishable qualities compared to counterparts such as namer XC-30, vilkas, alternatively the puma VJTF, an already overtiered vehicle. In fact worth than the puma due to a manned turret layout and insignificance of the APS system.
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Vehicle in question: M113A1(TOW)(Italy, China) in GRB
BR: 8.3 to 8.0
Worse than the ITV which gains access to thermals and twin tubes, and worse than the UDES 33 which has access to base TOW-2.
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