It makes even less sense to face super maneuverable missiles with IRCCM when it has no flares
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Hey you gotta give the yak-141 some credits, it was decent for like…2 patches
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Joke? They are not adding 9Ms to a 12.0 fighter and not moving it. The only reason it’s 12.0 in the first place is 9Ls.
You really love talking about Bias and crap, but this is some wild denial.
Vehicle: F-20a
Gamemode: Air Realistic
BR Change: 12.7 ----> 12.3
Reason: with BR change of the F-16a to 12.3, the F-20a with worse performance then the F-16a and the same 6x aim-9L loadout or 2x aim-9L and 2x aim-7f. while having worse performance then other f16s with 2x radar missiles and 4x aim-9L, i see a reason to lower its BR based on other airframes with better performance and loadouts at 12.7BR.
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Alright since I didn’t use the correct template…
Air Realistic Battles, F-4F Early. 10.7 > 10.0.
Reasoning:
Keep in mind that this was an event plane worth ~$133 USD in the Marketplace (at the time of writing this.)
A $133 aircraft at 10.7 you get:
- No Countermeasures at all.
- No radar missiles at all.
- No bullpups or Mavericks.
- Only 2 Aim-9Es (10G missiles) at stock.
- Aim-9Js (18G missiles) aren’t available until research rank IV.
- Slightly better maneuvering (although, you are still a flying brick.)
- Same, if not a downgraded F-4E radar that has little use due to the F-4F Early not having any Radar Missiles (Sparrows).
- Stock grinding this thing is abysmal, as you are stuck with 2 Aim-9Es, and no countermeasures. You are easily susceptible to any missile higher than 10G max overload; especially R-60Ms and Aim-9Ls, which can be found very commonly at 10.7.
- Seriously, a $133 aircraft being this bad is incredibly sad. The value it has does not reflect on its poor performance due to its current BR placement.
- The F-4C (planned to become 10.0) is identical in terms of performance with the F-4F Early. Only differences is that the F-4C gets the ability to use Sparrows and it is slightly heavier. Both aircraft are identical, and the fact that the F-4C is getting bumped down AGAIN to 10.0 is a huge slap in the face for the F-4F Early users.
The F-4F Early has HUGE potential to become a really good aircraft but it is heavily overshadowed by its legacy BR of 10.7. And for a price of $133 USD, it’s extremely disappointing for those who bought it, or those who spent hours and hours grinding for it back when the Future Technology Event was live.
Gaijin, please consider this. It’s the only hope for the F-4F Early. The F-4C gets the proper BR placement but the F-4F Early stays suffering. Again, please consider a possible BR change for this aircraft.
Thank you.
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Vehicle: T25
Mode: GRB
Suggeston: 6.3 → 6.0 or 5.7
When will another look be taken at the T25? It was moved to 6.3 because of the stabilizer but no longer has it. Currently its just outright worse in almost every metric outside of reverse speed when compared to same BR counterparts and even many tanks at lower BRs than itself.
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I’m aware.
If your RWR detects it. If your plane can turn 90 degrees in 5 seconds (because sometimes thats all the warning you are given) and after all that, you were still put in a much worse position for the F-14 IRIAF to capitalize on if he isnt dumb because you are purely defensive.
I really think I’m willing to kill this to save the BR bracket overall.
In a pencil that could only go straight and has no BVR capabilities lol. Plus there are a plethera of all-aspect capable supersonic fighters at a lower BR, although they tends to be much slower.
eh i will believe Wareta, one of the main techmods that handles the french stuff more here then one random article. What you posted is the only article i saw abolut that france actualy wanting to use Shard yet
Nah, no argument you say will make it make sense to be the same BR as the same exact jet you just came from but worse.
Mica. Derbys are okay in a dogfight, but loft like mad
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Compression is bad.
Why would this share a BR with the F-4C?
If you are flying in a straight line anywhere NEAR 12.7+ you are playing bad. Not a Farkour being OP issue, actually a skill issue. At 12.7+ you should be aware of AMRAAMS and play accordingly.
L O L
NOOO you dont say??
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If they are being changed in RB what will they be like in sim ??? i need to know,
None of this matters because its current BR is what it is BECAUSE IT HAS 9Ls.
Giving 9Ms would be an automatic 12.7 tiering…
It’s almost like the issue is the massive IRCCM leap.
Air RB, F-20A TigerShark, 12.7 > 12.3.
This aircraft has and always will be a budget F-16 ADF (that’s literally the whole history behind it, it was meant as a budget alternative for the same program), yet it sits at the same BR as the F-16 ADF ingame while being noticeably worse in almost every regard. If it wants to use 2 sparrows, its needs to sacrifice 4 of its Aim-9Ls, and it has inferior flight performance compared to the F-16s sat at this BR. It also has less countermeasures (yes I’m aware they’re single-pop, meaning more drops, but that isn’t useful for ARH missiles or IRCCM IR AAMs. It should sit at the same (new) BR as that of the F-16A. The fact it’s still the same BR as the ADF should be a crime… it’s absurd, please fix it. Disregard that it’s a premium, and as such its stats will likely be significantly lower than that of other aircraft. Please take notice of the aircraft’s capabilities compared to others ingame, and don’t just look at the statistics you have gathered please use common sense…
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Air RB, T-2(Japan), 9.7 > 9.3.
The T-2 only gets only 2 missiles and has no countermeasures at all.
It can see A10s with 4 AIM-9 L Missiles and Phantoms with AIM-7s.
Bombing is not viable because AV-8Cs are way faster on takeoff.
Same goes for the F-1
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