Tornado IDS WTD61 11.3 > 10.7
Flight performance is rather sluggish compared to other 11.3 platforms, but being even worse due to 11.7 - 12.3 hell that it constantly faces, it carries 2 AIM-9Ls that are not on par with what it faces (AIM-7Es, R24Rs and etc) + it is not a plane designed for dogfighting the platforms encountered
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Easily the worst changes I’ve seen so far, get your head out of your ass gaijin. DECOMPRESS, not RE-COMPRESS.
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Air RB , Mig21 bison. 12.3>12.7 . R73 over power
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F8U 10.3 → 10.7 in ARB
good flight model (slightly better than f8e), good cannons, 4 aim9d’s against 9.3’s, it’s basically an f5c with better missiles
it shouldn’t be any lower than the f5c and f8e as everything it has is equivalent or better to them save the aim9c gimmick missile
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The T77 going to 4.0 is honestly ridiculous, at 3.7 it was already a bit too high but at the sam br as the twin 40mm spaas? not only does it make no sense balance wise it just brings back the spaa gap between 2.7 and 4.0 the t77 was supposed to fill
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the osa is sadly not reliable against it, the missiles are much too slow and the kamov can always dodge
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Ground Realistic battle, Jagdtiger, 6.7＞7.0. Reason: It’s a tank destroyer with 128mm cannon on the chassis of Tiger II. 250mm armor means even 76mm HEATFS and Italian 90mm HEATFS cannon penetrate it.
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Air RB ,Shenyang F-5. 9.3>9.0 . it should play with Mig17as
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Chi-To(both versions) (RB) 4.7 → 4.0
The Chi-To has similar performance to the Panzer IV’s at 3.7 and is at best a slight side grade to them, Their gun, Armor and mobility are comparable, Even tanks like the Turan III are at 4.0 also with similar protection and firepower but with significantly better mobility, There is no reason for them to be placed so much higher than the Turan III or Panzer IV’s.
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Oh ok, first of, the 42mm pen is actually wrong, it incorreclty has the APCBC multiplyer.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/qMa0lt5K9aew
And then again, its pretty much impossible to reload a 36 round drum, by hand, in an cramped turret in 1 second, if you think that is realistic, then please, provide a source.
But overall you are just biased.
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But then it’s only 0.3 below the Mig-29G and Su-27 which have vastly superior flight performance and loadouts.
Even the 29G and first Su-27 shouldn’t be at the same BR, but gainin refuses TO DECOMPRESS.
the m19 and m42 have low fire rate that’s why the m163 replaced the m42 in vietnam
ARB, Fw 189 2.3 → 1.3/1.0
This aircraft has just 2x7,92mm with 1000 rounds at 2.3. That is crazy and it can only be explained by it being played only by at most experienced players. Its real performance is that of a 1.0 aircraft or even worse.
It is a recon plane. In War Thunder it’s designated as a bomber but it can only carry 4x50kg bombs.
You are forced to play this “bomber” as a fighter. So why don’t you just make it a fighter to remove the airspawn and put it at 1,0. This way it has at least a acceptable armament. While it is maneuverable for a twin engine, it paid the price for that by minimal armament and ammo. Reserve plane fighters will still be superior. Its flight performance and speed is average for 1.0.
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i need to hear people’s opinion about this plane
is it really this good to have that +0.3 br or i missing something here because most of the times i see ppl using rafale than this plane in grb so i am kinda confused?
Air RB ,Harrier GR1 and Hunter F6 . 9.7>9.3 ,they not flare and too slow to fight with mig21
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Ground Realistic
Pbv 501
6.7 → 7.3
It is a BMP-1 more that a whole BR lower. I mean, normally the cannon is also the main armerment of the BMP-1, and that performs very well with that cannon at 8.0, however somehow this sits at 6.7, with exactly the same cannon. It just doesn’t make sense why a tank that fires heat shells with a 6 second reload and good mobility, sits as low as it does.
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And we also have a Mig-29A at 12.7 with 2 kinds of missiles that don’t belong to it. The game is broken.
Tank: Turm III
Game mode: Ground Realistic
BR change: 8.3 → 8.7
Reason: This tank is too strong for it’s current BR. It’s easily deals with any tank at this BR range due to having good mobility, stabilizer, good main cannon and 30 mm autocannon.
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Air RB, Sagittario 2, 9.3-9.0
Reason: It has the most ridiculous power creep in the game with Ariete being literally better in every way at same BR. It has the same BR with supersonics and gets uptiered to face R-60s and Aim-9Gs. It’s only turning better than those but even then it can be beaten by going vertical since unlike Ariete it has mediocre acceleration. Everyone is much faster and avoids fighting this plane until it’s left alone to be killed. Just because it was played by above average players farming noobs trying to turn fight it doesnt justify this BR.
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Right, time to make a thousand individual posts because you won’t let me make one containing everything I want to say.
A-10A (both versions)
Air SB 10.7 > 11.3
Incredible maneuverability, all aspect missiles, and practically infinite flares make this far too powerful at its current BR.