Yeah… That is the thing people fail to realise when they look at the Sea-Vixen.
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“dead in uptier” considering how well it plays in downtiers it clearly makes it up for that to the point of me getting 3:1KD despite you saying im “dead in uptiers”. Clearly im overly strong in downtiers then.
Considering how well the sea vixen performs with the uptier downtier rates for a player who knows how to use the vehicle, the br placement isn’t bad. If it was bad i wouldn’t be able to get 3:1KD.
Once again youre a cracked air player.
Youre also forgetting how incredibly compressed air is from 8.0-top tier. Vixen cant handle an uptier so unless everything above is moved up it ought to go down
Translation. Avoid a 1 on 1 fight at all cost and only engage distracted enemies, Ideally when you have 1 or more teammates helping you fight a target.
That to me sounds exactly like an aircraft performing badly not well.
If you need to 2v1 everything to get kills, then clearly its underperforming. If the enemy is aware of you or it is a 1v1. There is little you can do vs even 7.7s other than just runy away
TLDR, just because you can get a good KD by playing like a rat. Doesnt mean its a good aircraft
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the funniest thing is that the prototype sea vixen had 4 30mm adens, is just that the british werent very smart on their plane making skills so they removed the guns
f-8e literally had to go up in br because it was kinda op at 10.3
mirage 2000c s4 is also the same case, it has too low br which is why i do well in it
f-14b i kept killing noobs who flied straight into the aim-54
f-14a same thing
f-16adf kd ratio is mid
considering my trash kd with the gripen and eurofighter typhoon im probably below average there too.
with some aircraft, we perform badly because they dont fit our playstyle. some aircraft we perform exceptionally well. and some aircraft are just under br’ed.
And it didn’t even take me longer than one day to learn the playstyle of sea vixen to get good with it, it just fit me and the br placement was good for someone who can play the sea vixen properly. We shouldn’t battlerate vehicles based on skill issue of players who can’t play true support fighters properly, we should battlerate vehicles based on those who actually know how to play them properly and bring out the best advantanges of those vehicles.
already had enough shot opportunities in a 9.0 br to get a 3:1kd ratio
i remember smashing a mig-21 with a red top in a head on
In light of the fact that almost all of Iran’s materials are filled with propaganda, that will never happen.
There are several cases of Iranian R-73s on NATO aircraft, but only F-4D/E which has different radar from original one is the most reliable.
dont expect to be able to do this majority of your matches but when it happens its funny
Yes and no.
FAW1 would be a good addition for the TT at some point, but the main reason for the gun removal iirc was the coolant systems needed for the Red Tops. Which is why the FAW1 would only have Firestreaks.
The Sea Vixen was meant as a bomber interceptor, so all-aspect red tops designed for shooting down heavy bombers from 3km away would be far more valuable than guns.
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And you should be doing that in every single headon from 3km away against even none-AB targets . I’ve had a front aspect lock on once and the F-104 shot me out of the sky at teh same time as getting hte lock. Rarely does it actually happen
i would gladly sacrifice the red bottoms to get guns
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considering how trash the firestreaks are right now, the faw1 shouldn’t be added until they are fixed.
Rather carry aim9b over the “15g” and “mach 3.4” firestreaks
sure id love to have a 5:1kd then (seriously, don’t suggest it unless if you want the sea vixen to be put higher)
This is why I wait prototype model.
IIRC, it had x4 ADEN cannons.
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Its already too high. It wouldnt go any higher. All-aspect red tops would be just as easy to defeat as they are now. Turn slightly to avoid them.
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ill just trash people harder who are in a bad energy state or busy dogfightning. now i dont even need to be behind or side of them ill just make couple passes over the furball and all of them are dead.
already proved that a person who can play the sea vixen properly can do greatly with it in the battlerating of 9.0. and battleratings shouldn’t be based on people who don’t have the skill to use the aircraft but on the people who have the skill to use it and bring out its advantanges.
I would like to posit that Gaijin incorporate player skill into their metrics for determining battle rating. Furthermore, they should only include statistics for vehicles that are spaded.
Put simply, I propose they only take statistics from level 100 players. This would combat the hordes of Germany TT and Russia TT vehicles that are criminally under BR.
Vehicles like the KV-1 (pick a model) or the Tiger I, which in the hands of a skilled player are dirt simple to overachieve in.
There are arguments to be made that new players deserve coddling in order to keep them engaged in the game. However, this disincentivizes them from improving and creates an environment that deters new players from picking nations such as Italy or France, nations that overperform due to their more experienced player base.
I do very good in a mk24 spitfire but suck ass in a javelin. my ability in one thing doesn’t take away from overperformance in another
Top tier is a whole different beast I don’t even count it as the same game, as soon as everyone has 9L and 9m forget it.
the vixen is a good plane yes but it sees mig 21 and harriers in uptiers, all of which outperform it and outgun it by large margins. Its unfair to expect it to fight them when its only offensive armaments are very artificially limited missiles and is has no defence.
If you can only get kills by playing like a rat, with help with teammates, then it is already too high.
Then F3H-2, Super Mystere B2 and Mig-21PFM to a much higher BR because they have better all-aspect missiles than the Red Top already and far better aircraft as well .
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So are R-3Rs, but those are considered not terrible missiles due to their headon capability. The issue with all aspects is that it will keep it at 9.0, or even push it to 9.3.
I also think people are underrating the Red Tops, (for example you can’t really dodge one in an F-104 or any bomber) and the flight performance of the Sea Vixen is incredible compared to most other subsonic aircraft.
Really, we just need decompression. No 9.0 plane should be facing most 9.7 planes as it stands.
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Red tops are great missiles just not at 9.0 or 9.3 because of what they face higher up
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