OBJ 140 - GRB - 8.3 → 8.3
This tank is in no way better then T55A. It’s a sidegrade, trading APFSDS for a slightly more punchy APHE, not an upgrade.
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Merkava MK2D - GRB - 10.0 → 9.7
The addon armor does not provide ANY protection against KE munition and only meager protection against HEAT rounds. So long as the addon armor does not actually provide meaningful additional protection this tank should be at the BR of other 105 Merkavas that is 9.7.
Or do you seriously want to tell me that the paper armored slow Merkava MK2D is comparable to T80UD that has 11.7 armor at 10.3 while being faster and having a better gun ? Please tell me this is an out of season april fools joke.
3 Likes
Vampire (British) - ARB - 8.0 → 7.7
The other Vampires all have more thrust making them somewhat more viable, but the British variant is underpowered and effectively pointless to play. Would make far more sense to be at 7.7 based on performance compared to other jets at this battle rating.
6 Likes
have to do one vehicle per post, sorry
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2S38 - GRB - 10.3 → 11.0
This tank has been sitting way too low for way too long. There is zero reason why this OTOMATIC sidegrade should be at 10.3 when the arguably worse Otomatic is 11.3 and mostly equal HSTV-L/RDF-LT are 11.7.
This tank is kept low simply because of waves of newbies that cannot tell a house from a tank. And perform absolutely terribly in it. Putting it higher will not harm newbie’s experience as they’re gonna get their buttcheeks clapped anyway.
11 Likes
AGS
GRB - 11.0 → 11.3
This vehicle allready has a subpar ammo for it’s BR and is carried mostly by the fact that people don’t know how to deal with it.
If you are indeed dead set on setting it up to 11.7 it should be given M900 as it will be constantly fighting 12.0 tanks and even M833 is ill equipped to deal with those kinds of vehicles.
2 Likes
T54E2
GRB - 7.7 → 7.3
It’s terrible turret armor can be penned by 6.3 vehicles with a little bit of aiming. It lacks APHE.
This thing is an M47 sidegrade more then anything.
2 Likes
Can the super props get some love with some br changes because some of them are really strong or quite bad
T54E1
GRB - 8.0 → 7.7
It’s terrible turret armor can be penned by 6.3 vehicles with a little bit of aiming. It lacks APHE and it’s AP rounds are nowhere near as destructive as those of a Somua for example. It also has much worse armor then Somua for example. It’s APDS shatters 9/10 times. and it’s HEAT-FS round is slightly better then 90mm HEAT-FS.
2 Likes
PZH2000
GRB - 7.7 → 8.0
Laser rangefinder, mobility of a light tank, huge empty spaces where you can hit and do no damage. This vehicle is better then most 7.7 light tanks and is in fact better then the french 8.0 light tank.
9 Likes
VIDAR
GRB - 8.0 → 8.3
This is basically a PZH-2000 but with 3rd gen thermals and a smaller ready rack. If the Pzh2000 is 8.0 material that makes this monstrosity 8.3 at the least. Furthermore the Obj120 is 8.0 and the Vidar is better in every way.
8 Likes
Mode: Ground Realistic Battles
Vehicle: Tiger II (any Variant), Jagdtiger
Change: Leave at 700HP
Reasoning:
After viewing the Reports, the documents only stated that it has around 600HP with 2500RPM, there is no mention of it beeing the max RPM.
Panthers using rpm-governers is certainly true but I have never heard about that with Tigers, especially considering how “underpowered” the Engine was for their weight. Reducing the engine power on a vehicle which is already struggling with full 700HP is just unreasonable.
There also might be a difference between “Dauerleistung” and “Höchstleitung”, basically like most planes would not permanenly run on WEP since it would reduce the lifespan of the engine which is no issue in War Thunder apart from eventual cooling issues.
2 Likes
M48A2 G A2
GRB - 8.3 → 8.0
This vehicle is equivalent to Magach 5 and much worse then T55A,Olifant MK.1A or AMX-10RC due to it’s lack of stabilization, thermals or even LRF. As such it should not be at the same BR as T55A, Olifant Mk.1A or AMX-10RC
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Char 25t
GRB - 8.0 → 7.7
This vehicle is slower then Obj 906, has less penetration, lacks stabilizer, lacks LRF and even lacks HEAT/APDS round while having nearly the same reload as 906 and only a second faster then CLOVIS (this one also gets LRF as a treat even), DF105. It is in no way comparable to Obj 906 or even DF105 and CLOVIS.
The only reason it is as high as it is ,is because skilled players can perform well in it. And because only very skilled players now play it. It is getting uptiered and uptiered whilst offering nothing truly amazing compared to it’s counterparts in other nations. In fact it is straight up worse then all of it’s counterparts at this BR !
Anywho that’s my two cents.
15 Likes
The only reason i got the NF5A is because it offered a uniqueness in the form of 2x the countermeasures of the regular F5A, if Gaijin wants to remove the only thing that made me purchase this jet. i would like to apply for a refund.
this is false advertising and not cool at all.
Return Panther 2 and Tiger 2 (105) to 7.0 to close the gap in Germany’s combat rating. (Yak141 - as an example, there was also a hull and engine, but the weapons and “stuffing” were not represented in the game, T-44-100 - for some reason, the turret does not jam after firing, Is-6 - the hull is not wooden… There are enough such precedents in the game and in different branches (I just mentioned the most striking omissions) - I propose this as a temporary solution until suitable replacements for this combat rating are found.
Tiger 2H/Sla16 - move to 6.7 (all modes)
Tiger 2P/Kungstiger - move to 6.3 (all modes)
Explanation: With the loss of maximum speed, there will also be a loss of dynamics, so these changes must take place. 5.3/5.7 can easily kill them, and with their current mobility, it will be even easier.
Mode: Ground Realistic Battles
Vehicle: Obj140
BR Change: 8.3 > 8.7
Reasoning: I don’t have much issue with the BR changes, but could Gaijin Pls change its reload time to at least 7.5 seconds, which is the same as the T55 series?
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Ships:
(NAB) Saeta 4.7 > 4.3 (an outdated boat considering how many SKRlikes have been introduced at 3.7-4.0, which will easily destroy it). All its counterparts sit at 4.0-4.3 and also have torpedoes.
(NAB) Freccia P-493 4.7 > 4.3 – similarly, the additional gun does not provide an advantage, and it is rarely encountered in battles.
(NAB) MPK Pr.11451 4.7 > 4.3 – an unjustified BR increase; its maneuverability is impossible due to the poorly implemented hydrofoil, just like all ships with hydrofoil (it tilts forward when turning, whereas videos show that the stern should tilts and the turning radius should be smaller, with less speed loss during maneuvers). On half of the maps, it immediately runs aground, and its torpedoes in current realities cannot even sink a corvette. You can’t just rely on one speed.
(NAB) USS Cyclone 3.3 > 3.0 (from Rank V to Rank IV) – ineffective slow-firing guns with grenade launchers combined with his guns which wasn’t implemented, is easily destroyed by opponents with calibers of 40mm and above.
(NAB) Richelieu and RN Roma 8.3 > 8.0 (or increased rate of fire) – they do not have advantages; they don’t survive long, don’t shoot often, and their guns are among the worst of all top-line battleships — honestly, even at 7.7 they would be much more viable given current implementation realities.
(NAB) HMS Tiger – keep at 5.7 (no advantages over Atlanta, which lives at 5.7 and is not affected). Fix its gun accuracy, which was set with a typo (0.5 instead of 0.25), in the last patch’s accuracy adjustments.
Air:
In Naval Arcade Battles (NAB), you raised the BRs of modern aircraft in the patch; but forgot reduce the overinflated ones cause of AAB — this will add more variety to naval battles:
(NAB) A2D-1 9.0 > 7.7 (this aircraft isn’t much better than the A-1H, which is at 6.3)
(NAB) Canberra B.Mk.2, Canberra B(I).Mk.6 – from 8.7, 9.0 to 8.3 (BR is overinflated; American Canberras are at 8.3; this change will give British aircraft to a set with Vanguard ship, which lives at 8.0)
(NAB) Ki-84 Hei 7.7 > 6.0, Ki-84 Otsu 6.3 > 5.7, Ki-84 Ko 6.0 > 5.3 – these aircraft do not have advantages in MAB; their BRs are overinflated for AA capabilities.
(NAB) J2M5, J2M3, G.56 – from 6.7 > 5.7 – same as above
(NAB) J6K1 from 6.3 > 5.7 – same as above
(NAB) Tu-4 from 8.0 > 7.7 – similar to B-29 with comparable payloads that actually live at BR 7.0
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Vehicle: Haruna,Kirishima,Kongó
Mode: all
Rank: all to V or VI
Reason: as of righ now only the Kongó sits at Rank VI while its sister ships Haruna and Kirishima are Rank V for no reason and sharing the same BR.
Therfore i propose that either Kongó moves to Rank V with a RP reduction or its sister ships move to Rank VI so all of them are in line.
This just Bugs me that their Rank is not the same despite beeing basiclly the same Ships since either option could help with the Naval grind for Japan in Form of a RP reduction or less ships needed for Rank VII if you got one of the event ships.
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You need to do 1 post per suggestions. That way people can vote on each suggestions and they can get meaningful feedback
Ive also got a suggestion up for Tiger