J7D give PL-8, or moved to 10.7, it doesn’t perform well at 11.0, and it is also missing its bomb loadout.
P1Y1 > 3.0, really poor performance and armament
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No.
Keep HSTV-L at 11.3…
Instead, give its APFSDS actual post-pen damage and spalling, increase said shell’s speed to 1,643 m/s as bug repported (and pen accordingly) to match the specified M774 performance-level standard for its firepower and possibly even increase its rate of fire.
We don’t need HSTV-L to be at a ridiculously low BR because it ridiculously underperforms; we need HSTV-L to finally perform the way it should perform.
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Air:
okay so, instead of, you know, decompressing Air BRs, they’re proposing to make the problem worse by moving the MiG-15, the bis-ISH (which is a Bis but with better ground ordnance? how’s that below the regular bis anyway?) and the A-5 Sabre to 8.0
That is fairly catastrophic. Why not, oh I don’t know, move the F-104s back up to 9.7 where they can’t slaughter the Gunfighter BRs, move the MiG-19s back to 9.7 where they… can’t slaughter the gunfighter BRs, and move the MiG-21 F-13 and PFM back to… 9.7 where they… guess what, can’t slaughter the gunfighter BRs. All the Sabres and MiG-15 upgrades, Lim-5s and so on need to remain where they are. Simple as that. You are singlehandedly going to wreck an entire BR range with this set of changes. I don’t like the Mirage IIIC going down either, because that’s another thing that’ll ruin gunfighters at 9.0 by slinging Magic 1s at everything…
Also, if we are going to move everything down, let’s move the Hunter F.1 down. Because that thing should not ever see all aspect missiles or 30G missile slinging supersonics. Yet it does.
Ground:
Since I haven’t played most of these vehicles, I can’t comment. The Fox going up is a no brainer, though I’m not sure it’ll do a lot since it can still kill most targets from the side, and go BMP hunting. Roland going down… ehhhh. On the one hand, LGBs at 9.7 (Q-5L i’m looking at you) is a menace, but the Roland isn’t going to solve that, by virtue of having a maximum altitude of about 20,000ft.
On the other, moving it down will probably screw a fair few 8.7/9.0 CAS platforms. But hey, you be the judge.
Naval:
SKRs are not going up, waste of time.
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Sheridan 76 really should not go up. The 6.7 US lineup is great but it REALLY suffers in uptiers and then we finally get something that can deal with it! But now it’s going to 7.0 which is really sad to see.
No armour, not great mobility, only a good gun with quite poor gun traverse. Keep it at 6.7 please
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The Bis ISH is going to 8.0
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Option A would just make it really annoying to fight tbh
Looks good, but AJ37 should not be 9.7, still has solid flight performance and TWS radar. It should definitely go down to 10.3 though for SB.
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teh F-104 is the main violator, theres a reason it was the last of the old 9.7 supersonics to move down and since then its had very noticable a speed buff, thought Lightning, and MiG-19s and maybe the F-100 should move up
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Did I just see AJ37 at 9.7
Now I by no means play sim a lot (quite the opposite) but I feel like adding a supersonic, TWS radar equipped, RB24J slinging flare equipped rocket might be a bad idea at 9.7.
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I have never seen such lackluster br changes in my life. Jeez man, yall are blind to only looks at player stats and not use common sense…
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With all the talk around the 2S38 its a bit weird that it isn’t increased to at least 10.3 (going by my calculations on comparative placement between strf9040C and HSTV-L it should be 10.7) let alone not even mentioned.
Edit:
i should say that i personally have no vendetta against it, i just saw a lot of talk and got curious and did a lot of math to compare it to its closest counterparts and put it on a BR scale from 10.0 (9040C) to 11.3 (HSTV-L) and it landed on an average of 10.76 overall and that’s not including some of things it has that is just straight up better than both of the two others.
calculations here if interested.
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its literally a better Bulldog, either it goes up or the bulldog goes down, and the bulldog is alright where it is
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Speaking of balance changes: if Challenger 3 (TD) is meant to feel like an actual upgrade and peak of the British tech tree, it should have a 5 second reload, just like the rest of the Challengers, Abrams tanks and others;
And speaking of Challenger 3 (TD) its whole turret damage model is WRONG (it now has the OLD Challenger 2 wrong model, copy-pasted!) even though a more appropiate one already existed before Alpha Strike. How has it been like this for a month already? Is it really that hard to revert its turret model back to its correct state (hopefully with polishments as well, particularly regarding the mantlet)?
My bug report about this enormous issue hasn’t even been addressed yet.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/mWd3XAjD2kZu
Speakinf of Challengers; the bug report regarding its lower front plate spall liners was made and acknowledged 3 months ago… how hard can it be to give them spall liners on the lower front plate?
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/S3xGexRIXPBx
More bug reports regarding the Challenger 2s/3:
Upper front plate spall liners:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/EOBDXCu2pHDl
Challenger 2s mantlet:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/d5Moy8XHcrfe
And a long etc.
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I agree, but that suggestion is more on principle than anything I’d truly want to see.
The point I was hoping to make is that the two should be roughly equal. That being said, I’d prefer that the 2S38 goes up rather than HSTV-L down.
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MiG-19 probably should, and both the 9.3 MiG-21s could probably do with going up. F-100 maybe, but traditionally it and the 19 were always the same BR.
Lightning maybe, but that thing is very sad with its non functioning missiles right now (can barely hit anything in the rear aspect, and the old trick of side aspect slinging just stopped working at some point)
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Keep the 9.0s going to 8.7 at 9.0, move MiG-19, F-104 and Lightning to 9.7
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It will be fun to fight lighter targets, and have a better lineup alongside the fox
So, I barely ever reply to anything on here but I’d just like to point out something that Gaijin seem to be ignoring or doing completely backwards lately.
For Air RB if a plane is suffering It’s not always in need of lowering. Sometimes it’s suffering because of what is ABOVE it’s battlerating.
All of these 9.0, 8.7 and 8.3 being lowered does nothing other than move the problem DOWN.
All of these jets being lowered are completely fine were they are if those few supersonic aircraft that are TOO LOW above are moved higher.
All Mig19 Variants(including the Q5’s), All F104’s, All F-100, All Lightnings… In fact all of the supersonic jets should not be lower than 9.7 or 10.0… and if the excuse is because they don’t have flares, Well… For the sake of gameplay either ADD FLARES or move whatever has all aspect missiles higher.
All aspect missiles should not be facing subsonic jets either, aircraft without flares should not be facing all aspect missiles either. Subsonic conventional fighters should not be facing supersonic jets with missiles. The gameplay is complete trash at 9.3-10.3 unless you’re downtiered. Balance should never be about being uptiered or downtiered.
In most battles you’re best off just leaving the battle if you’re uptiered and this should never be the case.
Air RB is completely over compressed and this “12.7” battle rating that was added a few months ago did nothing to alleviate this because moving a few top tier jets up did nothing to help anything below 11.3. All this did was prove how bad the compression is below 12.0.
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and fight against spitfire mk24
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