Aircraft Battle Rating Discrepancy for Air Simulator Battles
Phantom F4J(UK) vs Phantom FGR2/FG1
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Phantom F4J(UK) [Premium]
Nation: Britain
Current Battle Rating: 11.3
IR AAM: 4x Aim-9G
BVR AAM: 4x Skyflash DF
External Gunpod
Max A2G load: 2x base kills
Radar: AN/APG-59
RWR: AN/APR-32 (E, G, I bands, 50km, Type 6, SPI)
CM: 60
Top Speed: 1153kt
Turn rate: 26.0s
(note Britain’s Phantom F4J(UK) does not have HMD or Slats)
Phantom FGR2/FG1
Nation: Britain
Current Battle Rating: 10.7
IR AAM: 4x Aim-9G
BVR AAM: 4x Skyflash DF
External Gunpod
Max A2G load: 2x base kills
Radar: AN/APG-59
RWR: ARI 18228 (E-J Bands, 50km, Type 6, SPI)
CM: 90
Top Speed: 1222kt
Turn rate: 26.0s
These 3 aircraft are near identical, with the difference being the engines, RWR and CM count. Which are all in favour of the Phantom FGR2/FG1 resulting in it being the superior airframe. The RWR on the Phantom FGR2/FG1 is better and has better engines that result in a higher top speed and acceleration and has 30 more CMs. It makes no sense for these 3 aircraft to have different BRs. The Phantom F4J(UK) should come down to match the Phantom FGR2/FG1 which are ideally located at 10.7.
The only reason it appears to be 11.3 is because its Premium. No other reason exists for it to be at a higher BR
Mig-23ML vs Mig-23MLA
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Mig-23ML [Premium]
Nation: USSR
Current Battle Rating: 11.0
IR AAM: 4-6x R-60M
BVR AAM: 0-2x R-24R
Radar: Sapphire-23ML/TP-23M
RWR: SPO-10
CM: 60
Top Speed: 1271kt
Turn rate: 33.0s
Mig-23MLA
Nation: Germany
Current Battle Rating: 11.3
IR AAM: 4-6x R-60M
BVR AAM: 0-2x R-24R
Radar: Sapphire-23MLA/TP-23M
RWR: SPO-10
CM: 60
Top Speed: 1271kt
Turn rate: 33.0s
These 2 aircraft are Identical and yet maintain different Battle-Ratings. They have same loadouts, same radar, same RWR. The only difference is the tech trees they are located in and the premium status. I dont know if the ML should go up or if the MLA needs to go down, though the Mig-23ML use to dominate the 10.0-11.0 brackets, so I suspect that it will need to go up in BR. but either way, these 2 airframes should be at the same BR.
Air Simulator Battle Rating Changes needed
Hunter FGA9 BR reduction from 9.7 to 9.3.
The Hunter FGA9 has no CMs, No radar and is sub-sonic like the Hunter F6, but only has 2x Aim-9Es instead of 4x SRAAM. Which impacts it serverly in A2A combat, there is a reason the FGA9 has an RB rating 0.3 lower than the F6 and I cant understand why this does not also apply to Air Sim as well.
Harrier Gr7 BR Reduction from 11.7 to 11.3
The Harrier Gr7 recently got a massive increase from 11.0 to 11.7 due to the addition of Aim-9Ms, but ultimately, this is highly unfair and has rendered the aircraft almost unplayable. It has no radar, at all. Meaning using any missile, Aim-9L or Aim-9M beyond rear aspect is extremely dangerous, severly impacting effectiveness. It was moved up due to the addition of Aim-9Ms, however, R-73s still exist at 11.3 on the Su-25T, Su-39 and Su-25BM. and Magic IIs exist on the Jaguar IS at 11.0. 11.3 is a more appropriate BR for an aircraft with no radar in SB and would actually give Britian a viable “fighter” for this BR range, as we currently only have the Tornado Gr1
Mig-23MLD BR increase from 11.3 to 11.7
The Mig-23MLD is one of the best 11.3s in the game currently, with few rivals within the 11.3 brackets. It outperforms everything with strong SARH and All-Aspect IR missiles, as well as a decent airframe. Similar such aircraft like the F3 when added received a 11.7 battle rating in Aim Sim and so should similar such aircraft like the Mig-23MLD
Harrier Gr1 BR Reduction from 9.7 to 9.3
This is entirely based upon the current BR of the Harrier GR3. An Identical airframe, with better IR missiles, CMs and RWR which currently exists at 9.3. There is little justification for the GR1 to have the higher BR at this time, especially with SRAAMs in their current state. Once they are fixed, it can potentially return to 9.7, but SRAAM wouldnt be unreasonable at 9.3
Air Realistic Battle Rating Changes Needed
Hunter F1 from 9.0 to 8.7
All 9.0 Gunfighters have had a BR reduction down from 9.0 to 8.7 but the Hunter F1 has been forgotten, if the others require a BR reduction, so to does the Hunter F1 and should join them at 8.7
Hunter F6 and Harrier Gr1
Both of these aircraft are currently struggling at their current BR due to BR compression. They Lack CMs but almost exclusively face uptiers against All-Aspect missiles. Additionally the SRAAMs are underperforming hard, with a number of outstanding bug reports, a few more than a year old. In the absence of SRAAM fixes, which would certainly restore these aircraft to being 9.7 worthy, they desperately need a temprorary BR reduction to 9.3 or lower. Where they may stand a better change of survival.
The Harrirer Gr1 is notable here due to the lack of CMs, its direct couterpart, the Harrier Gr3 has CMs, RWR and better rear aspect IR missiles and is the same BR in ARB.
F-15 (all variants) increase from 12.3 to 12.7
There is really no justfication for the F-15 not join the others at 12.7. Its fast, well armed and can easily out-turn anything it encounteres in a downtier. Just because a BVR truck cannot compete with turn fighters like the Gripen or F-16 does not justfiy its current rating.
Stock Aircraft changes:
Jaguar Gr1 and Gr1A both start with no secondary weapons at all. Nothing. Please consider adding either 540lb bombs or Aim-9Ds or Aim-9Gs to these aircraft as stock weapons, gun fighting, in a stock strike aircraft, is not fun.
Tornado F3 additionally could do with the standard Skyflash (not DF or SuperTEMP) as stock as well.
Naval Realistic Battle Rating Changes Needed
HMS Renown decrease from 7.0 to 6.7
The Renown has notably less armour than HMS Hood and 1 less turret. This makes the Renown signifcantly more vulnerable and less able to fight back than the Hood. Compression in Naval is extremely high, but even the slight reduction to 6.7 would help greatly
HMS London decrease from 5.7 to 5.3
HMS London suffers greatly from a total lack of armour, a well placed destroyer Salvo can easily kill 30-50% of your crew. The turrets have no protection and can be easily disabled and the citadel makes up most of the ship. Meaning you spend most of your time unable to steer in a fight. The lack of offensive fire power and armour leaves it extremely vulnerable. If ships like Prinz Eugen are returning to 5.7, then HMS London needs a BR reduction alongside, as it is well below the Prinz Eugen in performance.
All 5.7 British Cruisers
They all need a review in their current placement, whilst HMS London is a notable example, they all have low armour, and limited fire power. With stronger ships like Admiral Hipper and Prinz Eugen returning to 5.7, then all British Cruisers at 5.7 need a review and consideration for 5.3.
Ground Realisitc Battle Rating Changes Needed
Challenger DS
The Challenger DS should recieve its currently missing L26 and armour upgrade package and move to 10.3. The Challenger was deployed to operation Granby exclusively with L26 shells and addtional armour. As the Challenger DS is this tank, then it should recieve these upgrades.
This would not harm the Challenger DS in anyway as most run the Challenger DS at 10.3 with items such as the Stormer, Lynx and other MBTs like the Challenger Mk3 and Vickers. In fact it would only increase the value of the Challenger DS, likely increasing sales as the 10.3 line-up Britain’s best high tier BR at the moment, with top tier boarderline unplayable.
Challenger 2 (all variants) and 3TD
After the nerfs in the last major update, the Challenger 2 is no longer suitable for top-tier GRB and until such time they get buffed or fixed. They have the worse armour and mobility and they no longer hold a reload rate advantage. They require a Battle Rating reduction if gaijin is unwilling to give buffs such as reload rate increase or improve other aspects of the tank.
Challenger 2, 2F, TES and OES to 11.0
Challenger 2 BN and 2E to 11.3
Challenger 3 TD is by far the worst Challenger at top tier, with worse armour and fire rate than the others, but due to DM53, cannot move. Instead it is in desperate need of a reload rate increase to 5 seconds to match the other Challenger 2s
This appears to be a popular opinion based upon this poll
Without such a buff, there is no reason to play the Challenger 3 TD over the 11.7 Challenger 2s due to its major weaknesses and so it too needs a BR reduction as a result.
S238 increase from 10.0 to 10.7
I actually think it needs to go to 11.0 but baby-steps
The S238 is by far one of the strongest IFVs in game, easily able to one shot most MBTs at its BR and can fight any aircraft with ease. Its the perfect support tank. It also has fairly decent armour and mobilty, able to tank some darts. Additionally, it totally outperforms current IFVs at 10.0 such as the 9040C.