And now gaijin destroys middle ranks even more…
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Imense skill issue, learn to aim
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or just remove the SRAAM all together (yes its unique but it was only a prototype missile) and have them permanently lower, in any case the Hunter F.6 stands little chance agaist the Ariete bar hte SRAAMs, and the Harrier GR.1 is playable if barely, especcially after the takeoff flaps cannot be extended at high speed giving it an acceptable turn anymore
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Wyvern was 5.0/4.7 some years ago, it was an easy target for the fighter opponents P-51 or Bf-109 which were mostly the same as nowadays 5.7-4.7.
Wyvern’s turn is very bad, can be out-turn by most single-engines and some twin-engines. And Wyvern lose energy rapidly during maneuvers, the energy advantage is usually lost before the second B&Z . Avoiding Wyvern’s headon and doing some defensive fly are actually much easier than doing dogfight with the decent fighters like Yak-3, P-51, Bf-109.
If the rookie pilots don’t know avoiding headon with 4x20mm, Firebrand or Firefly are also deadly.
Suggested changes:
Air:
- F-104A/C (USA/China) - 9.3 → 9.7
- F-86F-25/30/35 (USA/Japan/China) - Stay at 8.7
- F-86A-5 - Stay at 8.3
- MiG-15/MiG-15bis ISH - Stay at 8.3
- MiG-15bis (Germany/USSR/Italy) - Stay at 8.7
- J-2 - Stay at 8.7
- CL-13 Mk. 4 - Stay at 8.7
- CL-13A Mk. 5 - Stay at 9.0
- CL-13B Mk. 6 - Stay at 9.3
- MiG-17/MiG-17PF - Stay at 9.0
- J-4 - Stay at 9.0
- Lim-5P - Stay at 9.0
- F-86F-2 - Stay at 9.0
- Mirage IIIC - Stay at 10.3
- Su-25/Su-25K
- F-5E (USA/China) - 10.7 → 11.0
- F-15A/J (USA/Japan/Israel) - 12.3 → 12.7
- P-51H-5-NA - 6.3 → 6.7
- A-6E TRAM - 10.3 → 10.7
Ground:
- Char 25t - 8.0 → 7.7
- AUBL/74 HVG - 8.0 → 7.3
- ZSD63/PG87 - Stay at 4.7
- Ikv 91 - Stay at 7.7
Naval:
- Besposhchadny - 4.0 → 4.3
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The 17pndr and 77mm are exceptional weapons, I don’t know what your problem with them are.
I specifically compared the firefly as it’s the most prevalent 17 pounders vehicle and the one with the most 1:1 comparison.
Vehicles such as the avenger also deserve to go up, but I don’t want to overwhelm anyone with excessive writing.
On the 77mm, it’s on the Comet, which sure has a bit lower penetration than the Challenger at the same BR but also dramatically improved armour and a bit better mobility.
Then there’s the Concept 3, which is all the way at 4.3.
The 76mm M1 is roughly comparable to the 17pndr, though I’d argue that the 17pndr is generally more effective with its dramatically higher penetration. The KwK42 is found at much higher BRs than the 17 pounder, as is the 90mm ME except on the M36s which I’m sure you saw I believe are undertiered.
Too many people will look for any reason to bring or keep a vehicle at the lowest BR possible, and then they wonder why there’s compression…
please look at the KA-50 again and rethink if its fair, fun or smart to keep it at 11.0. I suggest raising it’s BR to 11.3 I think it’s a no brainer that it shouldnt fight at BRs with only one more or less effective SAM which is the french Roland.
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- M18 going up at 6.0? Ok now it has a more powerful engine but I don’t think is a real upgrade
- Mig-15 going down. Why? It’s a good 8.7 unlike the G91, G91 R1 and G91Y/YS. These are the planes that have to get off in Br
- Leopard 40/70 to 5.7? I’m fine but do not take taste
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No?
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Yeah the M4A3s mobility makes a huge difference. Whenever I played the M4A2 in an uptier I struggled way harder then a M4A3, simply because I couldn’t get into positions fast enough.
The M4A2 mobility is the same or worse then other tanks (medium/heavy) at the BR but having better mobility then the enemy makes a big difference in survivability and getting kills.
Gaijin… for the love of God please… you FORGOT the Shenyang F5 at 9.3 again. PLEASE its not supersonic and it has the worst missiles at that BR.
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MiG-15bis ISh which is almost same as MiG-15bis will have same BR with Me 262 C-2b
Hunter F.1 is still 8.7 even CL-13A and F-2 Sabre, MiG-17 will down to 8.7?
Lim-5P/MiG-17PF as well even it is literally better MiG-17???
What the hell lmao
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So now we have 2 spaag at 5.7. As useful as competing against someone who doesn’t have legs.
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It is, but I’ve had no issues with it at higher BRs. My only comment is that it’s gun seems to be much more effective than the Warriors? No idea why, but I have more confident that it will do damage unlike when I used the Warriors where it seemed to do nothing but just punch holes through things.
It’s great they rope us into getting it through the Battle Pass, and then decide it needs to be pushed to a BR where it can barely cope, and in an up tier is useless.
also these popular premiums have a lot of new players that lower stats for them, its why stuff like it and the turm 3 stay put
Edit: forgot the swedish SAV and k9 vidar too, honestly quite incredible those arent even getting moved up either
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huh m18 going to 6.0? for what? from what I recall the m18 just got buffed very recently, how can there be enough data already to justify an uptier?
also i really don’t think its much of an upgrade at all, sure engine is better but its already better than pretty much anything else that tier so no difference whatsoever. imo 6.0 is way too unjust
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I don’t approve. But if they want to do it ok. Just don’t do as the R3 T20
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That take for the strv 103s tells me youve got no clue what your talking about bud. The majority of your list jas some very bad takes but some good ones too. I do hope youll send a video of the strv 103’s aiming like a normal tank with no shaking since you’ve come to the conclusion that they fixed hullaim(hint: no its still broken)
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I’ve commented elsewhere about why I think the proposed changes to the Sabres & MiG-15/17s are a bad idea.
A few unrelated changes I recommend considering for this patch:
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F-104C - Add 2 additional AIM-9B on a center-line rack (historically accurate from Vietnam era) for a total of 4x AIM-9B. Then move it to 9.7.
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R2Y2s - drop all of them to 7.7. After the Type 5 cannon muzzle velocity was nerfed to be more historically accurate, these planes are not competitive at 8.0. They would not be OP at 7.7.
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Me 262s - Drop the A-1a to 6.7. Drop the C-1a to 7.0. drop the C-2b to 7.7. These are all very overtiered relative to their performance. The stats are–almost certainly–balanced out by more experienced players using inferior airframes to a fuller advantage. If the proposed Sabre/MiG-15/MiG-17 changes are implemented against the judgment of the players, the Me 262s will become completely impotent.
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And there’s the core of the problem. You, like many others, only compares vehicles to their max uptier counterparts while neglecting the downtier vehicles they primarily face. By doing so, you can argue for a lower BR and for BR compression.
The Firefly is an incredible and undertiered vehicle, with better firepower than similar vehicles a full 1.0 above it, even with minor weaknesses in mobility. It deserves at least a simple .3 BR increase, as it currently dominates and bullies 3.7, 4.0, and 4.3, and handles up to 6.3 well in my experience.