Yes I get the stab is good but the gun traverse is terrible. It has no gun depression and the vertical targeting is super slow so even though the stab exists you’ll find that the sight and the gun disconnect from each other a lot because the vertical can’t keep up
1- Which is why it should be 10.3. Also it’s 50mm more pen, not 100.
2- Doesn’t impact its BR as it’s 10.0 and not 9.0. Air tracking is a 9.3 thing at most.
3- Which is why it should be 10.3. Barely faster. HSTVL is double the acceleration speed of 2S38/Begleit BTW.
4- Which is why it should be 10.3. After 30 degrees per second, the faster a turret goes is diminishing returns since you react fast enough due to headphones.
5- Which doesn’t matter against ground targets where it’s BR is placed.
6- Which doesn’t matter due to the only map where that matters is Mozdok.
7- Subjective experience.
8- Not a thing.
9- Doesn’t impact survivability for the vehicle it is.
People need to stop mentioning its 9.3 SPAA capability, it’s not 9.0, it’s 10.0. 10.0 is above its 9.3 SPAA abilities.
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Prinz Eugen 6.0 - 5.7 and Admiral Hipper 6.0 - 5.7
Meanwhile HMS London and IJN Tone doing just fine at 6.0, isn’t it?
Yuo are better and better
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Also Pbv 501 could use higher br along side other BMP-1s. cold war ifv at 6.7 is a bit low. Even tho it has no atgm its still actually pretty mobile and responsive and does decent damage compared to like C13 which is 7.0. Also would help all the heavy tanks around that br while still being very good light tank.
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I do agree with the current changes, if anything i would ask for HOT-3 on the Mephisto.
There is a report open about it, and we have currently an ATGM carrier at 9.0 that uses Tandem Warheads, the AFT-09.
AFT-09 would have slightly faster missile and a faster platform (23.2 hp/t):
Spoiler
Where Mephisto would have slightly more penetration and explosive power at the cost of worse speed for the missile a slower platform (15.9 hp/t):
Spoiler
As a result Mephisto can go to 9.0, where the AFT-09 sits currently. I think it would be a good change and and would give the possibility to use the Mephisto at higher BR’s, where currently there is a lack of variety, like at 11.7 where currently we have only MBTs, it would help and give a breath of fresh air while we wait for more vehicle for that BR range.
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For the love of God move strela up in br, there is nothing more annoying than dying by an unavoidable death machine
Battle Pass ends, time to up tier the main reward. :D
Meets my expectations
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skill issue, that’s the exact same thing when facing F…ing guided munition in tanks. It’s very good yes, but that’s just spaa standard, and it can’t do anything else.
I mean the most similar vehicle. The Lvkv 9040C has less than 8.7 spaa capability. Where the VEAK 40 is just objectively better.
So i think its worth mentioning.
Now wether or not that ads up to the 2S38 should go up or LVKV9040C should go down is for someone else to judge as ive not playtested the 2S28
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Do not move the 9.0s to 9.7 RB
If you do move the Hunter F.1 down with them
The Vampire FB.4 has no place at 8.0 and being the same BR as the export Vampires
The Vampire FB.4 has less engine power Spaded than the export ones have stock while being at the same BR, move it to 7.7 or 7.3
the MiG-15 and F-86A-5 do not need to move down i cannot wait to have to fight a MiG-15Bis (Ish) in my Spitfire F.24 (probabally Ok but should prob move down to 6.7)
and if they are moving down move hte Swift F.1 down with them, and maybe even the Swift F.7 to 8.3 with the later sabres and MiG-15bis
move most if not all the 9.3 supersonics to 9.7 as they were, they stomp in downtiers and perform well in uptiers
the Fox needed to move up but a 0.7 increase is sharp, move it to 7.3 will release the issue mostly, and if it needs to move up again do so (liek you did with the Su-25 (9.3 → 9.7 → 10.0) Buccaneer S.2B should arguably go down, sure it has AIM-9Ls but the A-10A Early has the same number, a gun, more Countermeasures (the 30 stock flares on hte buccaneer may as well not be there) and the Bucc needs to sacrafice weaponry for the missiles, then the Su-25 is also lower with comparable speed and manoeverability, with having missiles that are equivalent and a very potent gun, the Buccaneer S.2B shoudl also go down in sim but thats another issue
rework Sim BRs I do not know how hte F-4F is 0.3 higher than the FG phantoms which have a better radar, engine, radar missiles, and IR missiles
Move F-15 to 12.7, it may not be the best out of the 12.7s but it isnt 12.3 worthy and shoudlnt really be fighting 11.3s with its performance and 9Ms
i may edit this as things come to mind
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Once more the naval changes are absolutely pitiful as expected by the devs…
All things are regarded to realistic battles.
• If you’re gonna put the Peacock class Corvettes to 4.0 at least give them more shells then a minutes worth of ammunition.
• Which Albatros is going up? The Type 143 FAC or the Albatros class Corvette?
• I don’t agree with the K class sloop going to 4.3, the thing is slow an the guns are inadequate above such a BR.
• Okay It’s probably my fault for the No.13 subchaser going to 2.0 but I don’t see how that can work when it’s so lightly armed even compared to the ahistorical Type 5 at 1.7.
• The Minensuchboot M-1935 M-17 should stay its current BR.
• The Gabbiano class Corvette Folago should also stay its BR, no point increasing it.
• At least the Königsberg class cruiser Köln going to 5.3 makes some sense but where’s Karlsruhe?
Suggestions:
• Serious question but how in the world isn’t the Project 204 Going to 4.0?? for it’s a menace at 3.7.
I ponder when the BR changes happened after its addition an saw the Restigouche class destroyer get sent to 4.0 even through back then it was ehh but to see this corvette remain at 3.7 is ridiculous.
• Project 35 4.3 to 4.7 or at most 5.0
With how easy it’s to get the SKR-7 & how ridiculously OP it still is the vessel should have its BR increased significantly.
• Project 159 from 4.3 to 4.7
Like the SKR-7 the SKR-1 is also OP but being EoL TT it should be increased but not as much.
• Project 50
SKR Rosomacha 4.0 to 3.7
SKR Karl Marx 4.0 to 3.7
SKR Yenot 4.0 to 3.3
These ships have remained at 4.0 for a rather long time an are basically over BR’ed, the first two get rocket assisted depth charge so they should have a lesser BR but the third is rather horrible for 4.0 only has two torpedoes & hedgehogs, This vessel should at least be 3.3 imo.
• Tacoma class Frigate USS Hoquiam PF-5 3.3 to 3.0,
Once more I beg that this stupid sad & useless ship get a BR reduction for it cannot defend itself from forward or reward engagements & has one horrible damage model especially now, It probably wouldn’t be to OP since it struggles against most similar size & smaller ships.
• Porter class destroyer USS Phelps DD-360 5.0 to 4.7.
It’s a pre WWII ship stripped down to a lighter armament akin to a Fletcher class yet still stuck at 5.0 even even similar armed ships are at 4.0.
• Impetuous class destroyer 4.0 to 4.3 basically as just mentioned it’s quite armed for 4.0 & it’s a surprise it’s still here.
• Ayanami class Destroyer JDS Ayanami DD-103, 4.0 to 4.3 only on the condition it’s rerated as a destroyer like it’s historically so AI AA doesn’t melt it due to its frigate damage model.
• Chidori class Torpedo Boat 3.7 to 3.3, It’s ridiculous to think that this is still 3.7 when similar ships to its design time are 3.3, the vessel should be at that BR imho.
Aircraft,
• A-7K 11.0 to 10.7 or 10.3
This Aircraft is quite sad & extremely horrible to play it should’ve been lowered ages ago yet here we’re.
• Q-5L, 9.7 to 9.3,
Ahistorically gimped an is only at 9.7 due to GBU’s but it could easily be at 9.3 given Aircraft around it, OR you it all the historical bells & whistles an make it 10.0 or 10.3.
• US F-5A/C 10.3 to 10.7
These Aircraft are incredible for their current BR an should be higher up in BR over what they currently are even if with Ahistorical countermeasures.
• V-12 2.3 to 2.0 or 1.7
I don’t get this aircraft it’s rather sad compared to it’s predecessor but it shouldn’t be it’s current BR especially when more heavily armed Aircraft are below it’s BR.
• Fw 189 A-1 2.3 to 2.0 or lower
Same as above inadequate armament for BR especially in the bomb department an it doesn’t take damage well at all ntm for it’s BR it’s terribly slow.
• A-36 2.7 to 3.0
How in the world is an early mustang at 2.7 especially with the ability to carry twn 12.7 mm HMG’s which will destroy basically all underpowered Aircraft around its BR.
• P-51A 3.0 to 2.7
Also an early Mustang but somehow it’s a higher BR must runway spawn & has a lower armament, how are these two BR’s a thing.
• D4Y2 2.3 to 2.0 or lower
This thing doesn’t make sense especially since it’s a bomber that must research bombs to be a bomber so it suffers a bit just before it becomes a bomber, It could definitely work at 2.0 or at least give it the 60kg bombs stock please.
• F-104 A models & C model 9.3 to 9.7
I was happy when it went down originally from 10.0 but the decision to make it 9.3 was ABSOLUTELY STUPID, Put it back up & maybe give them their other historical armament or those in the CDK.
• F-104G Italy 10.7 to 10.3 it’s a balanced aircraft but it’s current BR is daft tbh.
• F-104S /TAF 11.0 to 10.7
They were originally this BR & okay but the decision to make them 11.0 was dumb imo, they should return.
• F-104S.ASA 11.3 to - 11.0
It’s quite sad an it fights 12.3 fouth gen aircraft, this thing should be lowered plus four AIM-9L’s is meh nowadays ntm this things RWR sucks in game.
• MiG-21SPS-K 9.7 to 10.0
I don’t get how this went down as it was perfect at 10.0 ntm R-13M1 missiles at 9.7 is ridiculous imo (R-60’s are overrated imo).
• MiG-21S 9.7 - 10.0
If it became the MiG-21SM an had R-13M1 missiles & the SPS-141 countermeasure pod added (besides Red 23 was a MiG-21SM, So why is it on a MiG-21S airframe??, NTM the old forum had a thread discussing this aircraft).
• MiG-21PFM 9.3 to 9.7
If given the ability to swap out armament into the export fighter variant as a mod & gained the ability to launch R-60 AAM’s, This is kinda like some soviet tank mods currently take the T-64B/ BV mod kit iirc.
Yep that wraps up my thoughts but like always I doubt anything will happen especially for the naval side…
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Tell me you don’t want me to ever play subsonics again without telling me you don’t want me to play subsonics ever again.
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M4A3 76 is at most .7 better
The mobility is marginally better, reload is identical (5.9s aced), filler is nice but overrated with the firefly still one-shotting with a hull shot, stabilizer is nice but not 1.0 BR difference nice, and gun depression is the same. I mean, there’s the entire Soviet lineup with 5 degrees or less depression!
Now consider the 30% higher penetration of the Firefly, which makes it an absolute menace for any heavily armoured tanks it faces, including Tigers and Panthers, let alone the KVs it fights on the regular.
Right now, the Fireflies are closer in BR to the M4A2 (75) than the M4A3 76!
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mig-15, F-86a-5 (8.0) VS Spitfire F mk 24 (7.0)
…Do I understand correctly?
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have fun :)
The late F-86s, MiG-15 and MiG-17 should stay where they are. them going down is just a side effect and long term consequences of all aspect missiles being as low in BR as they have been.
Instead what they should do is this: move every all aspect missile carrying planes to 10.7, lock them from ever seeing 10.0 and then move the F-104 and MiG-19/21F and YaK-38 back up to 10.0 and leave the MiG-15/17 and late F-86s where they are at and the problem will for the most part be fixed.
Planes without flares do not need to see all aspect missiles and this is a problem that should have been fixed a long time ago.
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T-34 1941 is perfectly fine at 3.7? even 2.7 tanks in a full uptier can pen its sides and hit ammo just fine and the entire turret front can be easily penned by the American 75mm/Soviet 76mm, which almost every small nation gets.
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True. Lvkv 9040C should probably be 9.7, largely due to its APFSDS round along with good search radar, and track IR systems.
It’s also why I say remove OTOMATIC’s APFSDS round and move it to 10.0/10.3.
If the AMX-50 TOA100 and Lorraine 40t will still be at 7.7 where they’re defeated by the powerful guns and stabilised tanks in uptiers, I don’t see why they couldn’t get their historical commander gun controls, it would be a slight qol update without ruining enemies’ lives in downtiers
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Object 292 10.0>10.3/10.7
It is too OP in 10.0，especially，when tanks in 9.0 meet it
And I think all the Italian Top br ground vehicles
should be in lower br
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