Also, slop doesn’t really fit any of the removed vehicles. The Panther II and the Tiger II 105 are examples of less than thorough alternate history (Gaijin asked a solid what if but the follow up and implementation was subpar). The Coelian is basically alright other than being on the wrong Panther chassis. On the Ho Ris they were actually misled by Mai which resulted in the implementation we have today. None of these vehicles took zero effort to put together, which is what slop refers to - sameness, mediocrity, laziness. If I were to name slop vehicles in WT I would have other candidates…
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is there proof that it actually existed ? as in pictures etc
The F-16AJ is something I’d call slop
These removed German tanks, the R2Ys and the Ho-Ris definitely are not slop
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Complete prototype that is fully confirmable as built with photos or get out.
simple as
Ah, I had seen that but didn’t realize work had progressed beyond just the gun. That’s really cool. Hopefully it can take its place in the Japanese tech tree, but I don’t think based on the specs given that it would slot in at 7.3. That’s not an issue to me but it is a shame that there will only be the Type 99(?) howitzer there now.
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It certainly won’t be 7.3, but then so should the Ho-Ri never have even been there in the first place (Gaijin was misled by the person giving them the documentation)
5.3-6.0 would be about where it’d go.
And yes, Japan now only has the Type 99 SPH left at 7.3, well besides the M47 but that isn’t a unique vehicle.
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Unfortunately some nations were defeated and destroyed many documents, photos, and the vehicles themselves; or had the winners do it to them. So we do not have photos of many, like Ki-44-III, despite evidence it existed (in this one’s case, by interviewing its engineers).
It would most likely be around 6.0, assuming a fair BR. That’s where the current Ho-Ri Prototype should be.
I used to be harsher on them, but information on the Ho-Ri was just near nonexistent back then and getting the wrong idea was easy. Now we know a lot more. I wouldn’t hold any ill feelings towards Mai-Waffentrager.
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too bad. not verifyable = not valid
TAS 44M my beloved that we’ll probably never see…
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Not how it works. And not how it should work either. That severely undermines the hard effort of a lot of very crafty people who undoubtedly put a lot into getting these vehicles created.
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Vehicle: Fw 190 A-4 + FW-190 A-5 family
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(Fw 190 A-5/U2, Fw 190 A-5, Fw 190 A-5/U12, Fw 190 A-5, Fw 190 A-5/U14, Fw 190 A-5 (Japan))
Mode: Air Realistic Battles
BR revision: -0.3 BR steps (will result in 3.7 and 4.0 placements)
Reason: most recent nerf to the flap deploy speed has crippled the ability of these aircraft to control engagements, with only above average top speed as only last effort.
The 190s of 4.0 and 4.3 already were clawing to keep their BRs, the last nerf to the flaps hit really hard, since flaps are the tool all 190’s and even their succesors like the Ta-152s use to ratefight and reliably pull for shots, which mg151/20 requires more lead compared to other 20mm cannons.
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How is it not verifiable? We have quite accurate descriptions of what it looked like, what was changed from previous models, and some performance figures.
And why would they lie about any of it? They lost the war years ago. That plane was deemed obsolete since Ki-84 was also in development.
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Multi-vehicle posts are not allowed unfortunately. Last time I did that I was told even the very similar R2Y2s required one post per vehicle, per gamemode.
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
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I don’t understand why the Ho-Ri needs to be removed. Or any vehicle like it for that matter. Like there’s no gun-to-head reason for removing it, no law in any land saying how dare it be allowed to remain in game. If its game policy, why can said policy be changed or updated?
Could the vehicle not exist under a seperate identifier like we have for premium or squadron? I dont see the harm in an “Experimental/Prototype” vehicle class with a different color like blue or orange or pink. Set the vehicle to not earn any SL or RP nor allow players to use respawn token on it. That seems fair. That way players, new and old, can continue to enjoy the vehicle and make the choice if they want to include it in their line up knowing it won’t help make lions or RP. I would do this for the Tiger 105, Panther 2, and any other vehicle removed for being like that.
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“Muh realism”
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Somehow that realism isn’t important enough to entirely remove such vehicles though
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Yeah, I’ve finished the event for the Scimitar Mk.2, but it would be a joke to think it’s worthy of playing at 8.3. Silly doof doof gun with a slow ass rof, etc. When will Gaijin learn.
It will come down in BR
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That’s not even Gaijin’s own rule for suggestions.
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For as much as people harp about realism, I doubt most people would truly enjoy a fully realistic tank game.
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nazi/axis wundewaffe sells books and “documentary” deals incredibly well and has poisoned the water to actually prove such things, now that thats dying off, AI slop has nuked it all even harder