Planned Battle Rating Changes (August 2026)

[MiGoon_Fox-3]

was that something he suggested?

[KhorneFlakez1337]

Planned Battle Rating Changes (August 2026)

Vehicle: Su-30MK2 AMV Tree: Russia Gamemode: Air Realistic Battles BR Change: 13.3 → 13.0 Reason: If we look at the numbers on the shark, which is like the only source avaliable to us normal players, it becomes evident that the Chinese counterpart the Su-30MKK is straight up just better in terms of theory and statistics. In terms of theory, the MKK boasts multiple advantages over the MK2. Starting with direct upgrades, it has access to the Chinese challenger to the meta-defining AMRAAM, th…

[MiGoon_Fox-3]

wait
WHAT

AMRAAM? Meta-defining?

[MiGoon_Fox-3]

@Eestidude

If we look at the numbers on the shark, which is like the only source avaliable to us normal players, it becomes evident that the Chinese counterpart the Su-30MKK is straight up just better in terms of theory and statistics.

The Su-30MK2 and MKK are the same plane
There are no real differences between the two
Suggesting you put the Su-30MK2 (One of the best 13.3s, which should be 13.7) at 13.0 is completely delusional and idiotic

I hope to god that’s a meme suggestion and not genuine

[rainy2000]

Why is there still a 0.7 BR difference with the Challenger and Charioteer Mk VII?
The Challenger has:

• Better reload (5.1s instead of 6.3s)
• Better frontal turret armour (~80mm-100mm instead of ~30mm)
• Better turret side armour (~40mm instead of ~20mm)
• More crew (5 crew members instead of 3)
• Smoke mortar w/ 30 smoke grenades (instead of just two pops of 6 smoke grenades)
• Better turret rotation speed (33 degrees per second instead of 20 degrees per second)
• Better gun depression (-10 degrees instead of -5 degrees)

So with all those benefits the Challenger has at 5.3, what does the Charioteer get that warrants a 0.7 BR difference?

• Slightly better forward top speed (57km/h instead of 52km/h)
• Slightly better side armour (46mm instead of 28mm)
• Slightly better acceleration (20 hp/ton instead of 19 hp/ton)
• Better AP and APDS round (50mm more penetration for the AP round (slightly more post-pen damage and now enough penetration to UFP the Panther), and 25mm more pen APDS at 60 degrees ( again, slightly more post-pen damage and now enough to UFP the Tiger II if it is unangled)).

I could understand (at most) it being a 0.3 BR difference, but I’d even argue they should be the same BR of 5.7 / 6.0.

[HazelPam7769]

Gaijin seems unwilling to fix British tanks even when there is historical evidence supporting the changes, especially when these fixes would be relatively simple to implement.

[Gaijin Please] Add the Additional Armour Package to the Challenger DS

Hello They were rejected, not because of any historical reasons or lack of evidence, but because this particular tank was the version without that. This was intentional and there for not a bug. Its based on a Desert Storm tank that was before the armour was fitted: [image]

[我要成为俄罗斯原神糕手]

Vehicle: chi-nu Ⅱ
Gamemode: Ground RB
Br: 4.3 ----> 3.7 or 4.3 → 4.0 with reload reduce to 5.0s
Reason:
The overall performance of this vehicle is merely that of an ordinary late‑model Panzer IV, and its armour protection is actually worse than that of the Panzer IV H. Moreover, in the next update, the reload time for all late‑model Panzer IVs will be uniformly reduced to 5 seconds, which will further widen the performance gap of this tank. Therefore, its BR should be lowered to 3.7 to match the Panzer IV F2 – where one has slightly better protection while the other has a faster reload. Alternatively, its BR could be lowered to 4.0 while also reducing its reload time to 5 seconds, bringing it in line with the Panzer IV H.

[MiGoon_Fox-3]

@Eestidude

At 13.0 it would face SARH slingers equiped with the kinematically superior R-27ER

This is a bullshit argument
Su-30MK2 gets R-27ER as well.

@Eestidude

BR defining M-346FA and AV-8B Plus.

???

@Eestidude

PL-12 equiped Su-30MKKs

PL-12 is straight up worse than the R-77 and possible even AMRAAM after the nerfs it got.

@Eestidude

Chinese challenger to the meta-defining AMRAAM, the PL-12

Neither of these are meta-defining

[KhorneFlakez1337]

To be fair, the MKK does get PL-8Bs and PL-12s
Not saying he is right at all, just trying to correct that

[MiGoon_Fox-3]

@KhorneFlakez1337

PL-8Bs and PL-12s

PL-12 is straight up worse than R-77
No point in using it

PL-8Bs idk

Su-30MK2 gets NCTR as well
Su-30MKK doesn’t

They’re practically the same plane, there is nothing that can justify them being anything but the same br

[racimazzedine]

@MiGoon_Fox-3

PL-8Bs idk

pl8 are faster and pull less. which make 4-6km shot possible.

unlike slow r73 who might lose track due to the poor irccm

[MiGoon_Fox-3]

I have not really bothered using them on my Su-30MKK since I am more familiar with R-73s
So I don’t really comment on that missile’s performance

[Eestidude]

If they are the same, how come the statistics and theory tell a completely different story? You can’t even make any (bad) arguments about premium players being bad, because both are premium planes.

/s

[KhorneFlakez1337]

Dunno if it is straight up worse, but it definitely is a sidegrade

I can’t say for sure, but I do believe that the PL-12 is slightly better at longer ranges (not that that really matters lol)

[racimazzedine]

@KhorneFlakez1337

I can’t say for sure, but I do believe that the PL-12 is slightly better at longer ranges

is it.
25-30km shot are easy made. i do quite well with them in bvr with 30mkk or jf17

[MiGoon_Fox-3]

Simple
1 is from a major nation
The other isn’t

Your stats argument is also really hypocritical as yours are incredibly inflated from playing the Su-30MK2

[_Renzo]

@KhorneFlakez1337

I can’t say for sure, but I do believe that the PL-12 is slightly better at longer ranges (not that that really matters lol)

Until they get rolled or outpulled lol.

[MiGoon_Fox-3]

@KhorneFlakez1337

but it definitely is a sidegrade

pulls slightly better than an AMRAAM
can be sparrow rolled
no significant range improvement to speak of to make up for the worse pull

It’s worse

[Dontkev-psn]

Hell nahhhh…

Su-30Mk.2 AMV and F-4F ICE at the Same BR…

[Eestidude]

Why would this matter? The amount of games played is decently similar, and definitely above the threshold for the law of large numbers to kick in.

I am sorry, i have reached my limit of replies within a given day, i will return with further statements tomorrow