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far from the best 13.3s
they’re middle of the road
I would genuinely rate the MiG-29N higher
harrier is garbage
F-4 is mid
tornado is also garbage
JA-37Di is also pretty mid
The best 13.0s are the Su-27/33 and F-2A
The best 13.3s are the flankers
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You didn’t just seriously compare the Su-30MK2 AMV and MKK to the F-4F KWS, AV-8B Plus, Tornado F.3 Late and JA-37DI
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C2A1
BR Change: 9.3 —>9.0
Reason: Its a Leopard 1A5 with add-on armor and since the 1A5 goes down to 9.0 the C2A1 should go down in br too.
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Huge 4head moment
The Su-27 is 13.0, yet he’s expecting the Su-30MK2 AMV to also be at that BR
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Ground RB
Churchill Crocodile
4.7 → 4.7 (No BR change)
It is currently a worse Mk.VII
Action the bug reports to make its gimmick more useable, and to give it a performance nerf in the mostpart
Mass
Flame time
Flame Ballistics
Armour Thickness (of trailer)
If 5.0 sticks, consider making the trailer (and the flame ability) removeable
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Vehicle: Churchill Crocodile
Issue: The Crocodile trailer was designed to be jettisoned from the tank and this is a feature that should be brought into the game in one of two ways
- Make the trailer a modification: This allows for the Croc to be played as a heavier and premium Churchill VII by selecting the trailer to be on or off the vehicle much like camo nets or completely new models like the T-72B and 2S6.
- Tank jettisoning be added: this one will require a much more thorough coding job and should be something that is added at a much later date but is something that would be similar to the aircraft empty weapon stores jettison so when the trailer gets shot out or runs out of ammo it automatically ejects.
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Relevant:
Churchill Crocodile trailer should be a removable modification
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/Iks5yJGWzsVu
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I mean, if you let people detach the trailer or buff the flamethrower the Crocodile would have to move up, just like the regular Mk.VII
Neither one should move up imho, but it is, what it is
Churchill Crocodile is going to be 5.0 anyway, but yeah, OP should correct his BR proposal.
Vehicle: F-2A ADTW
Gamemode: Ground Realistic
BR Change: 12.3 —> 11.7
Reason: The lack of fire-and-forget weapon, AA missiles are no better than the F/A-18C/CF-188 on 12.0.
AAM-3s
I see it going down to 12.0 minimum
not 11.7
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Vehicle: Churchill VII
Mode: GRB
Change: BR 4.7 → BR 4.7
This vehicle sacrifices every other metric for armor, and armor performance relative to BR is its defining quality and the only reason to play it. Remove APHE ammo if you have to, but it must stay at 4.7.
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Statistics don’t lie, it would be evenly matched against them if it were to move down to 13.0. Please also read the rest of the conversation before commenting on the matter again to avoid repetition.
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I like this, finally not a single vehicle for UK12.0
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Ju 87 D-5 (Ground, not shure About air) 3.0 (currently Planned) → 2.3 While it has an aquivalent bomb loadout to the D-3 (2.0), the flightperformance doesnt change and the very aquivalent plane, the Il 2 Mod. 1941 with 2x 20mm Shvak and 2x Shkas is at 2.3 (while also having a wider arrangement of explosives, such as Bombs and rockets). And even the mod 1942 sits at 3.0 which has 23mm guns, with high penetration. While the D-5s only change is that it has 2x Mg 151/20 (and options for more gun at the cost of most bombs)
Switch the Ju 87 D-3 and D-5 folder with the Hs 129 B folder, to have all Ju 87s in a row.
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Statistics are unfortunately not a reliable source of information regarding vehicle capability
IRIAF for example is one of of the best performing 13.3s
Is it a good plane?
Fuck no
Same for the zero
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It’s hard to figure out the effective range because it varies on the person who uses it. The biggest strength the BA-9 has is it’s sustainer engine. It can turn on a dime which makes it very effective in environments where clear LOS, constant laze, predictable targets is not possible.
My biggest gripe with hellfires is that as the missile start going farther, the more of a boat the missile turns into hitting targets that is unpredictable and loosing the occasional laze, unreliable. It’s the same reason why I’d take the JAGM(SAL) over the hellfires at any range.
I personally think hit probability matters more than stat card performance. Top tier hellfire platforms have always been over-brd imo and it’s good seeing that they are coming down in BR.
Comparing the platforms, I don’t know if a 64A is better than a Z-19. it’s a much more nimble and stable platform, and it comes with a MAW. I’m unsure if the cost of having no cannon is worth it though.
I don’t need to read the rest of the conversation to make fun of the idea of the Su-30MK2 AMV going down to THE SAME BR as the Su-27
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