Hello Folks, in your opinion, which plane did you like to play with, that after “decompression” is practically useless?
In my sad experience the F-16A Netz (the other As too) is almost useless, useless IR missiles without BVR capability without HMD, of the 15 games I played, 11 were full up tier, 2 even BR 2 down tier. I felt like a sitting duck.
Sea Harrier FRS1 (in RB and SB)
Where the Sea Harrier FRS1e went up 1 stop (which was correct), the FRS1 went up 2 stops. This now places it too high and its basically DOA, going from 2 to 4 Aim-9Ls does not justify an 11.3 BR instead of 11.0. In Sim this means the FRS1 has the same BR as the Mig-23ML, which is insane
I havent touched the FRS1 since the decompress and I probably wont now. I’ll just use the FRS1e or the FA2 instead which are both far stronger in the respective SB brackets nor will I probably ever play it in RB.
Harrier Gr7 (In SB)
No radar, and yet is 12.3. That is an insane BR for an aircraft that is subsonic and has no radar in sim. Thats a higher BR than the Tornado F3 which has an insanely good radar and overall kit for Sim. Should be 11.7 to 12.0 at most. This renders it basically unplayable.
Even in RB, I dont think its performance is good enough to justfiy that BR. Perhaps if BOL werent nerfed through the floor or AIm-9Ms actually had decent IRCCM/lock range, but they just dont. I find it hard to justify a BR much higher than 12.0 in RB. But its not quite as DOA as it is in Sim.
I havent touched the Gr7 in while, since its BR increased when it got Aim-9Ms (11.0 to 11.7 pre-decompression) but it was managable. Now… Its pointless to even consider playing and its a shame. I use to enjoy the Gr7 when it only had 9Ls in Sim
Phantom FGR2/FG1/F3 (In RB)
No Justfication for them to be 12.0. Thats the same BR as the Tornado F3 which is better in nearly every respect. At most it should be 11.7, perhaps have even stayed at 11.3. Their current BR basically renders them pointless to even try to play, as you will see F-16s and other far superior aircraft constantly. (heck can even see F-15As , im not sure how you are suppose to contend with them with only Aim-9Gs and Skyflash DFs)
I havent played any of these aircraft in RB in a very long time. I never saw the point. It was one of the few aircraft I had hoped would be fixed by the decompress instead they changed nothing, perhaps even made them even worse.
Honourable mention:
Tornado IDSs (Gr1, ASSTA1 & A200) (In RB and SB)
0 Justification for their 11.7 BR. Should be 11.3 alongside the WTD61 and MFG. Having to face full uptiers basically renders them unplayable in RB and even in a full downtier, you are probably one of the weakest aircraft in the game by a long way.
Barely a reason to play strike aircraft in RB at the best of times. But now its pointless with these tornados. In SB its fine, but would be so much better at 11.3.
I was so suprised to see it go to 11.3, I figured it would be 11.0 at most… To me, it just doesn’t seem too good in RB. The Mig-21Bis-sau is just a better plane at the same BR.
Yeah
FRS1e 10.3 to 10.7
FRS1 10.7 to 11.0
would have just made sense. I dont get why they went with 11.3
Though both are in need of buffs. Both misisng radar gunsight and the FRS1 (sqv) should have a much better RWR (with full target ID like the Tornados)
(Also Sim buffs like replacing their placeholder HUDs and the removing the sooty exhaust from all harriers)
When I play the f-16a in the US tree I almost never get uptiered to 13.7
Different planes in different tech tree will have different experiences in the matchmakers.
The F-16s are in horrible spots for the most part right now.
Specifically the Netz, and the ADF, as they both belong at a step lower. Really hope they get fixed next BR changes, but it’s probabaly months away at this point, bc gaijin takes forever for some reason…
I don’t think any vehicle got affected by the decompression so much that it could be considered useless now, but there are some that definitely got hit way harder than they should have been.
The Sea Harrier FRS.1 shouldn’t have gotten two BR steps
Same goes for the J35XS
The Tornado GR.1/IDS/ASSTA shouldn’t be above the BR of the WTD/MFG (in air battles, that is)
The Su-25SM3 (as much as I hate that thing in GRB) shouldn’t have moved up at all
Things like the Netz being rather useless isn’t a result of the decompression however. Non-ARH top tier planes already were basically obsolete when the ARH carriers got added.
The decompression definitely didn’t do much good for the BRs above 9.7, but outside of a handful of cases it didn’t do any harm. They simply should have chosen a higher top BR and cut off the Fox-3s (except for the Phoenix tbh) from planes without access to them.
MiG-29 9.12A & 9.13
While it might been fine back when top tier was MiG-29s vs. early F-16s and R-27ERs are still potent, R-60M/MKs just arent cutting it.
Rather for BR to go down, i would like to see the addition of R-73s, and either keeping current BR but losing ERs, or moving them to match the BR of MiG-29G.
It’s a step higher than other 9L carrying F-16s, it really shouldn’t be. It has no radar missiles and only 60 countermeasures (bug report for 120 total was made but nothing happening yet) and it absolutely suffering. It was honestly suffering when IRCCM missiles first entered the mix, but gaijin thinks “oooh missile accelerate fast so must go up in Br!” And brought it up a step, but then proceeded to bring it up 2 steps when the ARH BR changes happened bc they’re ignorant idiots.
It needs to go down. Never should have been at this BR in the first place.
I don’t disagree, I just wanted to point out that decompression didn’t make planes like the Netz useless, rather it failed to put them at a more beneficial position
I think that change is either
or
We finally have seperate BRs for ground and air, so why would the Su-25SM3 move up that far in air when it isn’t better than the Su-25T/BM or Su-39?
I know ground its 12.7 (iirc). What is it in air? Thought it was 11.7 which is probably about right. (but been a while since I looked)
It’s 12.3 in ARB
Hmm… yeah that is a tad high.
Harrier Gr7 is kinda brutal at that BR, but at least it somewhat has the kit for it.
Su-25SM3 has 2x R-73 and 2x Rx60 or something right?
I honestly barely know much about the Su-25s form the perspective Air to air combat except that I hate the IRCM and they are tanky B@$%#!?
Some people are able to get kills with those wierd missiles it has. There’s plenty of videos out there, and I think Defyn got a kill or two in his showcase. It’s like a longer range IR missiles that can’t be flared but doesn’t pull hard. Maybe that’s the reason?
Unable to look ingame right now, but the wiki says the Su-25SM3 has no R-60s, only the two R-73s and it doesn’t have IRCM either
I mean, I guess that could be the reason, but I feel like that would rather be a sign that those missiles should be nerfed lol
Yeah I know it didnt have IRCM, though I think it has one of the best RWRs in the game currently and decent CM pool and MAWS (and being soviet the MAWS probably actually works correctly)
256 CMs (and not being the micro CMs the Gr7 has) does mean it has one of the better CM pools in the game.
I thought it had something like 2x R-24Ts or something alongside the R-73s but I also CBA to load up and the game and check to see if the wiki wrong. Either way, it is a wierd BR, Id place it about 11.7 maybe 12.0 if it has some wierd trick.