I just prefer using this thing called “chaff”
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It pulls harder off bore, but after a while aim120 pulls more, off bore is more useful though.
Nah lets not diminish how pathetically easy pl12s have become to defeat
I defeat them the exact same way I always have and will continue to defeat all Fox-3s. Notch and chaff.
Because its actually 100% reliable and it doesnt require having to guess what missile is coming at you. Some day they might also refix the PL-12.
In any case, that isnt justification for the PL-15 to be added without its peers
You’re showing me a single missile characteristic out of many. Go ahead, I gave you a video; try it with the AIm120 (you won’t get a spoiler because you can only dodge the Pl12 that way).
I do the same in most cases, but there is mo reason mot to roll a front aspect pl12.
Again. I dont think I have ever seen anyone in an actual match defeat an Aim-7 or PL-12 using this tactic. The cons seem to massively outweight the benefits.
Yeah. I know you can do it that way. But it seems like most people just dont.
Regular strat for me
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I do it in Hornet tbf
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This video shows how the autopilot works, and you can literally maneuver the missile into any position. It’s not a demonstration only of the one situation, although such situations are not uncommon among experienced players, but it shows how poor the missile’s maneuverability is now.
I like 1/2 China 😃
Anyways, it just wouldn’t be balanced to introduce PL-15 alone.
So again? Why does that justify PL-15?
I do it all the time too i had multiple aim 7 jousts where both me and the enemy rolled our sparrows
- The J10C is now the worst top-tier jet with this type of missile.
- China has become a boring nation after the PL12 nerf.
- Make China a more playable nation in the game, no one playing now
- To give Chinese players the enjoyment of the game. Check out the video above again. I’d love to see you there when the missile was leaving simply because someone made a maneuver at long distance.
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It is not.
Heck, its not even the weakest in the Chinese TT. That would be J-15T.
Israel has nothing that can even compete with the J-10C currently. J-10C to me seems to be largely on-par with the Gripen E. So does that mean Sweden should also get a buff?
But overall I would say both the Swedish and Israeli air trees are in a less healthy state than Chinas tree is at the moment. Especially at top tier.
So it was only fun when they had one of the strongest Fox-3s but now are boring when they are largely on-par with everyone else?
So? what has this got to do with PL-15? Not just releasing some fixes for the PL-12 and/or adding a more capable/appropriate aircraft for 14.7 (which again, is something that neither Sweden nor Israel currently have either, Neither do the US technically, but im of the opinion the F-15C GE should probably be 14.7)
Again? What has this got to do with adding PL-15?
Using the same argument. I think they should ASRAAM, Meteor and mmW Brimstone 3s to the Typhoon to give British, German and Italian players the enjoyment of the game. Just google Brimstone 1 in War Thunder.
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Well, overall, there are no other arguments here on the forum. What I proposed is also proposed in other nations, but under a different sauce.
You have copies of Flankers in tree. if I want good flanker, so I’ll go play the Soviet branch.
Mirage? another clone.
Only uniq is J10. But the trouble is, the most advanced aviation nation in the world has only one aircraft, which is inferior to all others FM and has total nerfed armament.
That’s what we call boring.
The same as in any other topic: enjoy the game, not endure it.
This is expressed in every suggestion at this forum for improving the game.
I haven’t seen any others yet.
Hu?
Right? And I havent seen anything to indicate its FM is actually wrong. At least no more than pretty much everything else at top tier
So? you mean like everyone else at top tier?
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As its pretty clear this isnt going to go anywhere. My final stance is this.
J-10C should NOT get PL-15s. Its fine at 14.3.
J-15T should probably move down to 14.3
PL-12/PL-12A need a review and fixes (though it isnt the only Fox-3 in need of this, AMRAAM has had pretty major issues for the past 3 years)
PL-15 should be added alongside its direct equivalents when appropriate, most likely on new dedicated airframes for it to avoid creating gaps.
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Play at least one game on China topjet during the current nerf, and I’ll listen to your analysis. Otherwise, it’s not even close to being accurate.
If they want to keep the J-15T at 14.7 they’ll have to give it something soon lmao. Whether that is PL15 or something else.
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