Despite of different armament and radars, you are claiming both aircrafts performance are same.
Tornado ADV operates high altitudes which leds to its turn rate become worser than starfighters, and it carries very heavy extnernal fuel tank this also effects its performance
This is nonsence more than claiming A-36 and P-51D’s playstyle should be same
And your thinking also has big error.
And insults?
make an insulting remark to the other person’s skills first, and now you are talking other peoples shouldn’t use insult to ya?
you just looks like crying baby to everyone.
And I couldn’t refute your points?
as i said before, you are ignoring other persons claims and you are just trying to treat other people like fools
It feels like you and I are speaking different languages.
Going back to the original topic of British Phantoms?
Nah, According to recent BR Decompression (of course it is better than nothing though) which sent flareless F-4C to 10.7 because it can eat bases like a hungry dog while F8U-2 kept on 10.0 by fragile wing(which is also makeshift-fixed on the same update with new mechanism) and vice versa, I am worrying about grim dark future which is even darker than Warhammer 40k does.
In my opinion, Original Skyflash is not unuseable but meh- SARH compared(it is just AIM-7E-2 with a larger proximity fuze radius) to Super-SuperTEMP or AIM-7F, with no HMS too. British Phantoms should have 0.3 BR lower than F-4J/S after the next BR Decompression unless RAF FGR.2 get their historical AIM-9L.
Maybe Between F-4E and F-4J would be fine.
Plus. For F-4J(UK) Phantom F.3 AKA. ripoff edition, (Worse SARH, RWR, bomb payloads) needs to cease selling and be banned from the Gaijin store to make no more of the victim. Of course, giving her historical AIM-9L can be a magic trick (T-2 Early got their AIM-9P after they removed her from the gaijin store)
And about Tornado F.3 which we talk earlier, She is an amazing interceptor but also somewhat kind of mediocre fighter thanks to her pain-in-ass manoeuvrability which kills advantage of nice avionics of her. we can see only a handful of players play Tornado F.3 Late (ARH variant with AIM-120) while there are tons of F-15C/MJ enjoyers playing the 13.7BR match.
She is a frenemy type of plane to me. Everything else is perfect but Maneuverability kills potents too much and makes less chance to flip the table and clutch the match.
I think that annoying features make only a handful of players play Tornado F.3 Late which got killed every good point of Tornado ADV(Better Avionics and slightly better weaponry than counterparts) but kept the bad points (pos manoeuvrability which caused hard time against F-14A/B or F-15A.).
While F-14A is faster than the F-14B, I do not inherently trust F-14A can do mach 1.2 on the deck like Tornado can, especially when their acceleration speeds are very similar:
50 seconds for Tornado F3.
56 seconds for F-14A.
@이승만
Both use PD-headon radars of similar ranges and identical limitations.
F-14A can carry heavy fuel tanks as well if it wants to. F-14A consumes more fuel than Tornado ADV as well.
That is not an insult; that is a sincere wish from an autistic man that someone’s good skills continue to improve.
I don’t think you got the “gotcha moment” you were looking for. The Tornado does 19kph faster on the deck than the F-14A. The F-14A, on the other hand, has about 700KGf more thrust.
Yeah the topic you decided as your own?
I don’t think it’s worth talking about your pointless “topic”, but I’ll do it for the retard who believe his claims are true.
as @sushi_vlogz said, your speed test is completely bullshit
From this quote, tornado ADV players can know you are just whining tomcatter.
yeah F-14A consumes lots of fuel and sometimes it should carry external fuel tanks, but it doesn’t cause it tomcat turns into non-turnable brick
and in this part, you are basically calling @Stockholm_Blend as “autistic man”
You thoughtless man
When the meta in War Thunder is BVR and boom & zoom… it’s more equal than different.
If the meta was dogfight, Gripen A and F-16A would be the primary aircraft everyone sees.
I appreciate the response.
I apologize for any of my language that may have upset you.
We are all on the same side here.
I want a bit more decompression, with Tornado F3 brought above FG series aircraft and put to the same BR as at least Kurnass 2000, it’s closest equal off the top of my head.
I totally agree in this part, but that doesn’t mean tornado F.3’s BR should have nerfed.
Since GB Phantoms has only disadvantages compared to F-4J,F-4S except for engine.
There are many other ways to correct this balance. such as buff Phantom FG’s into 11.7, or gave them historically used AIM-9Ls
That is why I want a bit more decompression.
F-14B and others brought up by 0.3 as well.
Not necessary a major change, just enough to cause more separation and equal.
The issue with 9Ls is they immediately go to 12.3 irrelevant of anything else purely due to the fact of JA-37C [dogfights the worst among all 11.3s in the game currently on top of having a self-destroying engine and heavy fuel for its fuel consumption], Kurnass 2000, and so forth.
Of course there are under-BR’d aircraft such as Mirage 2000.
The FGR.2 should get its historic AIM-9Ls and I think it would solve most of its problems at the current BR. AIM-9Gs are useless and extremely susceptible to flares, almost no point in carrying them when 90% of kills you’ll get in the FGR come from the much more potent Skyflash.
Also, the F-4S is better yet it sits at the same BR as the FGR.2, how’s that possible?
F4EJ Kai with 9Ls and 7F and an infinitely superior radar and RWR at 12.3
FGR.2 with absolutely none of that at 12.0, and worse bombs.
Very, very sad state British air is in. It could honestly get 9Ls and go down to 11.7 at this rate.
