I think it should go to 12.3, not get nerfed or removed.
There is no reason why it should be the same BR as the ITO 90, and the ITO 90 should not be the same BR as the FlaRakRad / Tor M1.
Plenty of aircraft can deal with the pantsir somewhat succesfully, but it requires the pilot to be skilled in CAS, which is how it should be.
Same , the best option out there
Because the ignore and neglect SPAA across the board, they do the same thing with bombers, they gut them, neglect them, refuse to give them a cockpit that doesn’t look like it’s from the 90s, refuse to update their gameplay and then act they’re not played enough to justify the effort.
Playing SPAA is miserable when it’s unrewarding, not fun, situational and you’re always on the back foot against air.
Oh no! I have to go in a straight line to dodge the Pantsir! So much effort!
Tbh even if it go up it doesn’t change much , since all CAS and i mean ALL CAS , now got their own ground BR, with maxium of 12.7. Meaning those same CAS still gonna meet the same group of SPAA that is not as good as the Pansir and they still gonna unable to do anything.
I mean, at least it would help those who are playing 11.0.
A good few 11.3 CAS aircraft already get reasonably good ground ordnance to fend off Pantsirs. You can overwhelm them if they have to deal with multiple targets, just like any SPAA at top tier.
Full uptiers also means that only 4 people have 12.3, if you were to play 11.3, so they may not all spawn in Pantsir. More people would be able to spawn in the Flarakrad / ITO / ADATS / Tor M1 when needed than the Pantsir, so maybe that would be more fair.
Maybe reducing spawn point cost for A-to-A-only fighters too would help this.
Help the CAS player but what about the ground player… That just delaying the problem I would say , especially considering gaijin will add more.
Unless gameplay of their money making machines is suffering, they won’t do anything to change it. You’ll have “victims” of that and sadly AAs are getting kicked in the gut.
This whole game design is just Gaijin trying to scrounge every penny from a crappy lemonade stand they have whilst ignoring the fact that lemonade stand is sitting on an oil well that could make them infinitely more money.
It’s baffling how poor their business decisions are and 90% of this game’s potential are going to waste along with the potential profits, the player numbers have increased several times, even if it’s through sheer luck with covid, and the game is still nickle and diming as if they have a small playerbase that relies on whales rather than just making a better game that can easily make double the money.
Along with reducing spawn point cost for A-to-A-only fighters (like the Tornado.F3 Late), I don’t see how that would negatively affect the average ground player.
First of all this was before addition of ARH, barely played it since then.
It is an easy to counter onetrickpony and i take a F16 any day over it.
You’re straw manning the discussion. And please, before you lose it and go all out against me like you often do, I’m not trying to be mean to you or anything but that’s sadly what you’re doing right now.
Point A: Pantsir is way too efficient at covering Russian CAS which is already the best in the game. This is not helped by the fact that AMRAAM loadout cost a small fortune to spawn.
Your answer to point A: Pantsir can be destroyed by CAS so Pantsir is fine.
You’re barely addressing the point in your post. Pantsir is not fine right now because nobody has equivalent. In fact, Russia should have NEVER received the Pantsir, instead receiving the Tor like China. With the Pantsir being added at a later date with similar systems for everybody.
Every nation needs to get a Pantsir equivalent and AMRAAM loadout needs to be reduced to like 200SP to spawn, then Pantsir will be fine.
Every nation needs to get a Pantsir equivalent and AMRAAM loadout needs to be reduced to like 200SP to spawn, then Pantsir will be fine.
So just to be clear, AMRAAM only or all ARHs?
@CyrusJackson
Ah yes, straight to character attacks which means you admit my post is correct.
CAP is immune to all SPAA in the game, which means Pantsir can’t protect Su-34 against aircraft anymore than TOR-M1 or ADATS could.
CAP is not speed limited to below mach 1, and mach 0.9 is all you need to avoid Pantsir’s missiles.
On top of all that, AMRAAMs don’t care about your 12km range in the case of TOR-M1, as they have a range exceeding 20km.
On top of all that, Su-34 will be outside of TOR-M1/ITO range itself, which means CAP will be outside Pantsir range with IR missiles.
Pantsir is not fine because CAS and CAP is unkillable by Pantsir; all ten tech trees NEED SPAA superior to that of Pantsir.
And any desire to remove SPAA superior to that of ITO-90 is OBVIOUSLY a defense of CAS.
Pretty sure he means all Fox 3s (ARHs).
Yes all ARH
There you go, you’re doing exactly what I asked you not to do… Please separate the argument you make from what you consider an attack on your person. Just because I disagree with you doesn’t mean I’m personally attacking you.
Can you post a video where you play these top tier fighters and farm Pantsir so easily, since you love to brag so much about it? I’ve checked your stats and they clearly speak another story so I’d really like to see your words put into action. It shouldn’t be hard to do it matches after matches since you said you never get killed by Pantsir, right?
@CyrusJackson I’ve never bragged about anything in this discussion.
Defeating the existing SPAA in the game is not skill worthy to me nor to any person that sincerely mains CAS.
I am also not a content creator.
My challenge to any and all Pantsir owners that think they’ll somehow find away around Pantsir’s inherent flaws remains: 1v1 me. I think I almost have the F-16’s Mavs, just a couple more battles if I don’t have them already.
Since when does one need to be a content creator to post a video? Just record a few matches where you do these feats.
Are you sure about that?
Surely it won’t be a problem for you to back up these words? You apparently never get shot down by Pantsir while fighting them with laser guided GBU. Meanwhile, content creators known for being good at the game are struggling to kill them with AGMs. I’m sure we all have a lot to learn from you.
@CyrusJackson
1- That’s me talking about planes, I am not a plane, thus I am not bragging.
2- Once again me talking about plane capabilities, not myself.
3- Once again me talking about plane capabilities, not myself.
If you want to know my skill against Pantsir? I think I’d need to be demoted to Mig-27K while being restricted to laser guided missiles, not bombs, missiles. 13km max range I think.
THAT would show I’m not a particularly great CAS player and be balanced against Pantsir.
Go learn from Hunter and Cavenub, they’re content creators that know CAS.
It’s quite clear you’re never going to post a video of you backing up your words about Pantsir. A fat case of ‘trust me bro’. Your opinion on the Pantsir can safely be ignored until you do so.