Petition against October BR changes

20-second invulnerability period for anti-aircraft systems;

Learn to count and delay attack, you’re in a plane. You dictate the terms of engagement.

Free SPAA’s for everyone;

Stock SPAA, not free still costs SP.

Free backups;

Backups aren’t free?

Crazy difference in SP costs (70 vs 1000+);

Crazy difference in capability.

Poor weather conditions (only affecting jets for some reasons);

Absolute nonsense, IR SAMs and IRST are heavily impacted by clouds.

Ability of SPAA’s radars to lock through the trees, while jets cant even see its target behind them);

Only a slight issue with the highest BR SAMs.

maps without any cover for surprise attack.

Works both ways. Worse for SPAA as they are confined to a tiny box and are usually free kills if they leave spawn on most maps.

Many skill issues. CAS currently stomps most SPAA/SAM in the game outside of one or two outliers at max BR GRB (SM-SV for example).

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Anything more then, what a nuke cost is unreasonable. Also, it depends on is it for, all munitions or only guided

What about bombers then? They are worse than fighters that can carry bombs in terms of dealing with ground targets (except PE-8 and lancaster) and now they cost even more. How we gonna deal with that?

They’re immortal so whatever

Somehow bombers are better at destroying planes than ground vehicles and fighters are better at killing tanks

What bombers specifically

I mean all of strategic bombers actually except pe-8 and lancater.

Yep, it would be actually great to have two different modes:

  • with spaa’s properly balanced vs cas planes
  • without any spaa’s and aviation

But in a current state cas is somewhat balanced against ground forces. Upcomming changes will simply kill a huge part of the game.

It is not balanced when it comes to most of the game thus why people are happy with changes that are going to make their life on ground better.

SM-SV will kill you in a 3 seconds before you even find him. Sometimes it doesnt even pop up on your RWR.

It soesnt differ much in case of perfomance with spaded one. Gaijin even added a free (actually unplayable) tank just to hide the fact its all about giving free spaa.

You get 5 of a free backups every day.

Iris-t capable to kill few planes just by pressing RMB+LMB in excel tab and intersepts its munitions. Spaas are perfectly capable. Its only limitation is quantity of people who dare to spawn in a jet.

Good thing its not the only type of sams we have, right?

This “slight issue” making planes unable to attack sams at all in certain situations, while being completely open to return fire.

There are only one or two maps where you cant actually hide spaa. And only few maps where a plane can hide from spaa.

Because there is huge gap between cas player and spaa player in case of skill. Cas player already have to be much better then a regular tanker just in order to spawn a plane. And im not even talking about amount of knowledge you need for operating it.

I have nearly twice of your kills per spawn stats in both ARB and GRB modes.

These don’t have to change

Well I would like to see if those happy people will compensate for financial loss for gaijin after they wouldnt be able to sell pack planes from next update.

For how long have you been playing this game?
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IRIS actually sucks at interceptions

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No “review those changes” option in poll, I would choose it. Idea is good, decompression and stuff, but changes should be reviewed so cas can keep up with spaa on same br while being moved away from stuff it can wreck without chance of return fire or stuff that just mogs it any day no matter what. What we have is jets being pushed up sometimes 2 br steps up as if they were overperforming against same br aa. Like a10c “overperforming” hard enough to go to s1 br which is complete nonsense.
Also su33 is going to be on same br as intruder which is wild.

I absolutely hate CAS, so I am very happy about those BR changes lol

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Right now im talking about general flow of the game. You can also mention sm-sv struggling to maintain radar lock in certain scenarios.

I would absolutely like to as well, but given how many terrible decissions were made here, its better to just completely cancel those changes and start all over again from clean blank.

Yep and here is a poll for you to vote because youre a part of comunity. Youre welcome.

Just dont try to argue about staff if youre not familiar with it enough.

SM-SV will kill you in a 3 seconds before you even find him. Sometimes it doesnt even pop up on your RWR.

Sounds like poor positioning to me. Locating them is easy the reason the SM-SV is widely regarded as overtuned is to do with it’s ability to easily intercept enemy munitions turning things into a best case scenario draw. SM-SV is a cherrypicked example though and is far superior to every other SAM.

It soesnt differ much in case of perfomance with spaded one. Gaijin even added a free (actually unplayable) tank just to hide the fact its all about giving free spaa.

So? Still need to pay SP to spawn it. Why do you even care about everybody getting a stock SPAA? Do you just want people to be completely defenceless?

You get 5 of a free backups every day.

Okay? These are not unique or specifically for the stock SPAA.

Iris-t capable to kill few planes just by pressing RMB+LMB in excel tab and intersepts its munitions. Spaas are perfectly capable. Its only limitation is quantity of people who dare to spawn in a jet.

And CAS is capable of killing the majority of ground vehicles with no effort, yet when people complain about getting struck from heaven in their MBT CAS glazers just resort to the old “just spawn SPAA bro or just spawn a jet bro”. If you are incapable of dealing with an enemy SAM playing well then I guess just “spawn a tank bro”.

Good thing its not the only type of sams we have, right?

Unrelated, you stated poor weather conditions only impacting jets. Categorically false.

This “slight issue” making planes unable to attack sams at all in certain situations, while being completely open to return fire.

You fire munitions at the enemy SAM and they intercept them. They fire munitions at you and you can avoid them. If both players are capable it will just result in a stalemate. SM–SV is terribly balanced because of its ability to deny airspace and enemy munitions whilst the opposing team does not have the same level of capability turning it into a very one sided ordeal.

Because there is huge gap between cas player and spaa player in case of skill. Cas player already have to be much better then a regular tanker just in order to spawn a plane. And im not even talking about amount of knowledge you need for operating it.

Let’s not pretend that spawning CAS is particularly difficult. You can shoot two scout drone and get a scout assist or two and you’ll be flying out fully loaded even in a full downtier.

I have nearly twice of your kills per spawn stats in both ARB and GRB modes.

I think the more interesting thing is that your K/D in CAS aircraft significantly outstrip your K/D for ground vehicles. You very heavily spam CAS. Surely there is absolutely zero conflict of interest here.

It is interesting how you can argue how gimped CAS is and how oppressive SPAA is when you on average vastly outperform your SPAA stats with CAS.

You just don’t want your favourite overtuned toy brought down to earth. You’re always going to argue in bad faith for that reason. I hope the change goes through, if only to take slight amusement in your indignation.

Roll on the balance changes.

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I did vote lol