Petition against October BR changes

Should Gaijin cancel planned October BR changes?
  • Yes. Cancel it.
  • No. Keep those BR changes.
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This is not “decompression.” It is simply a lowering of the SPAA BR relative to attack aircraft. Such changes will effectively deal a final blow to CAS at mid-to-high ranks.

Here are a few examples of how these changes completely ruin attack aircrafts:

  1. A-4N Ayit — it now faces the Type 81 (C) and the Tor-M1. This is entirely unfair and nonsensical; the aircraft stands no chance whatsoever against such SAM systems.

  2. A-7E — they are now pitted against the ItO-90, Tan-SAM Kai, CS/SA5, Elde 98, FK-2000, Pantsir-S1, and NOMADS. What are you even thinking?! This is a Vietnam War-era jet, armed only with Walleye guided bombs and Shrike anti-radiation missiles. There are already perfectly adequate counters for it in the form of existing SAM systems. This aircraft has no chance against a Pantsir-S1.

  3. A-10A Late - same as A-7E but even slower.

  4. F-4E — it can now encounter the Buk, NASAMS 3, SPYDER, and Type 03. Its BR is only 0.3 lower than that of the Pantsir-S1. The Phantom II should never even cross paths with a Pantsir—they belong to completely different tiers of technology.

  5. F-4E AUP — it sits at the same BR as the Pantsir-SM-SV. Are we to believe that an F-4E is equivalent to a Pantsir-SM-SV? This is a 3rd-generation jet armed with six Mavericks and two Shrikes. In the current environment, it is impossible to win a 1v1 duel against a competent player using a Pantsir-SM-SV—even if you are flying the best strike aircraft in the game, such as the Su-30, EF, or Rafale. How, then, are you supposed to play against it in a Phantom?

These are just a few examples that immediately come to mind; I primarily play American aircraft and am well-versed in their capabilities. And yes, I’ve played USSR as well.

Possible solutions to this issue:

  1. Simply revert this change to the BR entirely. (Poll)

  2. Adjust the Battle Ratings for anti-aircraft systems in the same way you did for strike aircraft—increase their BR by 0.6–0.7 to maintain overall balance. Specifically, the BR for the Pantsir-S1 and FK-2000 should be raised significantly. These are top-tier assets that have no business facing anything other than the most effective strike aircraft in the game (for example, the F-4, A-7, or the Su-25 family—excluding, of course, variants equipped with Kh-38 missiles shouldnt be able to face those SPAA’s). Furthermore, the Buk SAM system should be moved to 13.3 BR; it is the only system with ARH missiles capable of destroying a jet aircraft even in multipath, thanks to its powerful warhead.

We already have means to “balance” CAS:

  1. 20-second invulnerability period for anti-aircraft systems;

  2. Free SPAA’s for everyone;

  3. Free backups;

  4. Crazy difference in SP costs (70 vs 1000+);

  5. Poor weather conditions (only affecting jets for some reasons);

  6. Ability of SPAA’s radars to lock through the trees, while jets cant even see its target behind them);

  7. maps without any cover for surprise attack.

It is clear that a player utilizing CAS often holds an advantage over a standard “tanker,” given that they must perform 3–4 successful kills to earn the opportunity to take to the skies (this excludes low-tier gameplay, where aircraft can be accessed simply by capturing a point and assisting in a kill). Gaijin should stop penalizing players for their skill. War Thunder is arguably the only game where a killstreak — actually puts you at a disadvantage. Stop killing a significant portion of the player base - the pilots!

Disclaimer:

  • This topic concerns GRB (Ground Realistic Battles).
  • Opinions from individuals who are not knowledgeable about this subject will not be taken into account (only playing tanks while refusing to spawn spaa, having 0.5 K/D in jets/spaa’s, only having one nation unlocked etc.)

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You’re forgetting the helis that you can spawn with just as little effort as low tier CAS (if not less)

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ohhh no CAS takes more skill! AS it should CAS shouldn’t be a mindless 20 kill every game

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Making CAS nigh impossible isnt the solution either

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You met eagle, good luck

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its not impossible cobar is overreacting a jet like f15E or J-16 with 20+ fire and forgets against helpless AA and ground targets will never be unplayable

About time CAS SP gets reduced again

Hey so did you see where the A-4s now face TOR/type 81 and the F-4E is now the same BR as the Pantsir?

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nobody is feeling sorry for CAS jets that have always been slow and never good at CAS something like A10 and a-4 was slow months before this I don’t feel sorry for any CAS

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Haha the A-10 was excellent at CAS before this update, same with A-4s

Yeah you’re just biased and shouldn’t be talking in these sort of discussions as you don’t have any valid opinions

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play against the new BR and see come back here and then see how “UNPLAYABLE” it is like I said before CAS cant be unplayable just so you know I’m a air main who sometimes plays ground AA even the best AA can be blinded we don’t need 4 j16s in the sky that’s not fair to anyone in a tank so they needed a nerf and they got it

hey we’re all smart enough to know the f4e isnt doing anything with a pantsir around

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@GxneralEagle-live

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your whole topic will never be taken into account so say what you must gaijin isn’t reverting the whole BR changes as your own poll we can see it

yes we are but the amount CAS gets spammed endgame will now be fixed by lowering the BR of AA

Isnt this just nerfing lower BR CAS while not effecting TT and the J16s?

Remember when I said you don’t have valid opinions? It’s because you are blatantly in the open ok with just removing CAS

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This discussion is oriented more towards F-4Es going up against SM-SVs and less about F-15Es and J-16s.

I think we get the fact that things like the Su30SM2, F-15E, and J-16 are super strong. Thats not the point. The point is that a lot of mid-tier and not quite top-teir cas is going to be borderline unplayable in up-tiers.

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CAS at every br is annoying especially 10.0 with yak130s those are the reason the AA are lower now don’t get mad at me get mad at the game

The Yak-130 is too strong for its BR. Don’t move the AA, move the plane! You move the AA and you suddenly balance a few strong/op planes and ruin the balanced ones.

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