There’s no way on this planet Super Pershing could penetrate Tiger II’s hull without violating the laws of physics. Above, ChieftainWarrior showcased the official US testing values of the 90mm T15E1 rounds and the results prove that it’s not possible. The tank didn’t weigh 70 tons for nothing.
Just an additional bit of logic; according to the first hand account, “they penetrated the lower plate and caused the ammunition to explode”… except there is no ammunition stored on the lower hull of the Tiger II tank. The ammunition stored on the hull is found on the sponsons at the upper section:
There’s documented proof that this engagement simply didn’t happen (i.e.: no Tiger IIs were in the area).
Beyond that, everything you’ve stated is frankly useless. It’s not just about if something is wrong or isn’t, it is extremely important to show actual numbers. Which is something that other people here have provided while you have not.
Edit: you mean throws, not throughs. Also gj ignoring the other people who replied to you with even more evidence that you’re wrong, instead diving on what you think is an easy W.
Guessing you didn’t see me ask originally but can you tell us which episodes of the documentary series you’re referencing (assuming it’s a series), as well as relevant timestamps, and maybe even throw in a couple quotes as well?
Damn, can I get my 2 minutes back please? It’s literally a “I’ve heard this/I saw this in a documentary/I think it should be like that.” statement.
Gaijin is known to change things (mostly, not all, sometimes they are just stubborn) if you bring them enough evidence/documents to back up your claims.
I provided you with first-hand accounts. Once again as previously state I will not provide evidence from google that is horribly inaccurate and has been watered down in for the past 75 years since the war ended. If you can’t handle the fact that these are first-hand accounts, then you can go cry about it.
1- "They faced a Tiger II, even though the nearest German unit equipped with Tiger IIs was 70 miles (113 km) from the area the engagement took place in.
2- “They penetrated the lower plate”, even though such feat would require the 90mm gun to have significantly better performance than the official values provided by the U.S Army after firing tests.
3- “The ammunition exploded”, even though, as shown, Tiger II does not store any ammunition anywhere remotely close to the lower plate.
You are holding onto that “first-hand account” like it’s the Bible and actively ignoring logic, math, physics and historical records and reports. I am beginning to question whether this thread was made under genuine pretenses or if it’s just trolling.
Well, you are actively ignoring logic, math, physics and LITERAL HISTORICAL RECORDS AND REPORTS FROM THE ARMY OF THE UNITED STATES that very SPECIFICALLY state that the shells did NOT have enough penetration power, holding onto an anecdote told by a crewman even though each and every single piece of evidence in each and every single way disproves it.
If you want to understand “how delusional this community can get”, you may have a good example closer than you think.
Sorry if I am starting to sound blunt, but there’s only so much patience can last for when you are explaining things crystal clear and nice expecting the other side to actually listen and you only get ignored and nonsical attacks back.
We have a first hand account from the gunner of the M26 that dueled a Panther in Cologne stating that the M26 had a gyro stabilizer like the Sherman.
Even though there is undeniable proof that the M26 tanks did not have gyro stabilizers at least in WW2.
In the same first hand account, he states that he went through the front of the tank. But there is literally a video of this engagement, and the Panther is hit on the side.
First hand accounts are not nearly accurate enough to be used as proof. Calling people delusional over this is nonsensical.
Ok mister I TAKE WATER DOWN INACCURATE REPORTS FROM THE US MILITARY FROM 75 YEARS AGO, once again agree to disagree but what were not going to do is bring the bible into this.
Firstly they did have a gyro. And secondly nowhere in his interview did he say anything about penning it through the front. They simply outflanked it shooting the panther multiple times in the side.
-Official record of an engineering testing made by experts on the army: “inaccurate”.
-An anecdote told by a gunner who shot at a tank from far away through a small telescope: “literally undeniable”.
The hell…? I didn’t even use that metaphorical expression again.
