Panzerjäger Su-76(r)

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I would like to suggest the German Captured SU-76M aka. Panzerjäger Su-76(r) (Some pages say Jagdpanzer, however that name is rather reserved for the armored counterparts, while the open topped thinly armored vehicles are Panzerjäger, using different tactics for their strengthes).

The German Army never really had enove vehicles of their own to fill their gaps, as such lots of captured equipment, vehicles and Tanks were often reused as well as Modifed to be better and/or fill new rolls.

With Panzerjäger beeing a cheap and simple conversion of outdated (and captured) equipment to mobilize field guns, as they became ever bigger and heavyer, easily bugged down. As such vehicles like the Panzerjäger I, Marder I-III and such were created, a captured vehicle like the SU-76M was to fit in easily in terms of tactics and performance (Especially depentding if the gun was modernized to 7,62 cm FK 39(r) L/42 standarts).

Overall the SU-76 and later SU-76M came to be similar to how the German vehicles came to be. The need to have the standart Divisional 76,2 mm gun on a mobile chassis, to follow the tanks as well as give mobile fire support, logically the slowly starting to be outdated T-70 and T-80 chassis was to be used.

While first around 1936-37 trails of limited success with the SU-5 series based on T-26 tanks, the SU-76 came to be after the successes of the StuG IIIs and other vehicles in 1941 and the need to restart such programm came up.

With production problems in the beginning, alongside the SU-76I aka Sturmgeschütz 76(r) the SU-76 and later modernized/improved model M was to become a rather good, simple and cheap mass produced mobile gun, liked by the crew (tho with room for improvement (beeing the not exisiting roof, in city fighting)) SU-76.

With the german army producing their own 76,2x385mmR ammo as well as drilled out versions and ammo of 76,2x714mmR ammo (similar to the Pak 40s 75x718mmR but not interchangable), which was used as is in captured ZiS-3 cannons (Also lovingly called “Ratsch Bumm” by the germans, for their sound), as well as modernized and modified ZiS-3 guns called FK 39(r) in german service (Feld Kanone → Field Gun), which along other small improvements on the field, recived a muzzle brake (IF they didnt have one allready) and were drilled out to the longer 714mm casing, like allready the 7,62 cm Pak 36(r) as found in game on the Marder III.

The SU-76M had unlike the T-34 the room to take the longer 714mm casings, however not all captured guns were modified and how many on the SU-76 were i couldnt find out.


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The Gun:
Either more or less standart 7,62mm ZiS-3Sh or the drilled out 7,62 cm FK 39(r) L/42
Only difference is the length of the Casing and muzzle velocity.
I will put the 714mm Casings velocity in () behind the standart velocity.
Ammo: 60 rounds
Elevation: -5 to + 15° Traverse +/-15°


Ammo Casing: 76,2x385mmR

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Ap:


Pzgr.39 Rot (Apcbc) 7,6 kg 20g H.10 600(670)m/s 109mm/10m

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Pzgr.39 (Apcbc) 7,1 kg 80g Fp.02 and Np.10 (102,4 g TnTa) 625(695)m/s 106mm/10m

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Pzgr.40 (Apcr) 4,15 kg 28x111mm 0,90kg Core 850(890)m/s 155mm/10m

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Gr.38 Hl/C (Heat) 5,05 kg 515 g H.10 (875,5g TnTa) 455m/s 115mm/10m

Just a adapted 75mm Gr.38
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He:


Sprgr.39 (He) 6,25 kg 585g Fp.02 and Np.10 (748,8g TnTa) 550 m/s

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The Vehicle:
SU-76M

Armour Front Sides Rear Roof
Hull 25 mm (60°) Front glacis
30 mm (30°) Lower glacis
25 mm (35-89°) Driver’s hatch 15 mm 15 mm (1°) Top
15 mm (32°) Lower 7 mm
Superstructure 25 mm (27°) 10 mm (21-24°) Left
10 mm (18-19°) Right 15 mm (1°) N/A

Speed: 31 / 6 Km/h
Engine: 140 Hp
Weight: 10,5 Ton

Source:
Private Gallery/Auction
“WWII in Color”
Munition der FK 39(r)
Munition der 7,62 cm Waffen
Geschossringbuch I
Warthunder Wiki SU-76M

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A cool premium option, especially with the German-made ammo options. +1

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+1 , a unique twist to captured equipment.

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+1 as an event vehicle since is not quite copy paste due to the unique armament, but still a familiar chassis.

no. germany have made so much conversion of every vehicle they could get their hand on that there’s gonna be a su-76 with a german gun somewhere to add instead.

Could be a cool addition if added with only German ammo

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I don’t believe there was a su76 with a German gun but since we made German ammo for it hints towards the gun was good enough for the needs of the German army of the time

It would be good for a GE vehicle as the ammo is interesting and expected of Germany with how they thought about there ammo development concerning captured weapons.

Germany before the war planned for utilizing captured equipment so there shell size was picked so most captured guns could be bored out and modified to fire German shells. Though most of these guns would find there way to strange places like in France and that is why the Allies got a bunch of USSR equipment after D-day being thrown at them.

There was a few examples of the barrels being bored out to fit bigger calibers but thoses were rare costly and took time more common was the removel of parts like turrets to fit German guns like what was seen with the french r35s

French guns where the target of this philosophy as Germany was only thinking about France and it did help that France loved to export her weapons to Germanys neighboring states. Though this upgrade process did damage the guns especially boring. Though it still was cheaper at times to bore out a gun vs make a whole new one.

They never made new guns for modifications they were always existing guns for tanks that were seemed to have issues in the case of the r35s Germany saw the tanks were underpowered and needed howitzers so they added 10.5cm guns