Gimme few months and it just might get there 😂
German tech tree has premium Jagdpanther version then why not premium Panzer IV (Pz. Bef. Wg. IV/command version of the Panzer IV H) as 4.7 br.
Because they do not fit at 4.7 yall are delusional. XD
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U ignore the fact that Pzr iv is a aphe glass canon and m51 is heat glass canon(also Pzr iv isnt that “glass”. If u angled u can bounce some shots)
For gun handling i already said its not just the turning speed but also how much the gun is stabilized
The m51 has insanly wobbly gun maybe the most unstable gun in the game and this is a big disadvantge when u stand face to face with someone
And last m51 has worse nobility and agility(compare to the br).
And final u can add that m51 has bigger profile and reload.
So no they are not similar
I’ll let you guess which one is the M10 and which one is the Pz IV H. Filler matters a LOT.
What, sniping? You can’t do much sniping with the Chi-Nu’s potato launcher lol. At least against Pz IV F2 one could argue Chi-Nu has much better filler and so kill probability when penetrating, but against M4A1 there is literally NO UPSIDE since the guns are identical.
No, the japanese long 75 is way better.
They offer a lot more than just “a couple mm in penetration”. I’ll show you.
Imagine you are shooting a T-34 that suddenly came around a corner. With Pz IV H, this is as much as he can angle before you are UNABLE to penetrate his UFP:
Same spot and angle vs Na-To:
It has much better angle performance so people just cannot angle against you nearly as much, and the greater filler almost guarantees a kill when you do shoot them. Chi-Nu II and friends get a slightly better version of this gun too.
Has always felt faster than M10s and I usually beat them to a good spot.
You can win very very easily, you keep moving so he can’t aim accurately at your weakspots and use the stabilizer to keep firing accurately at his turret, which neither him nor a Pz IV can hope to match. His own gun will have a lot of trouble penetrating the M4, and even KV-1Es aren’t super hard to kill in M4 75s. The gun is very consistent if you can aim properly and you are actually able to get closer effectively, unlike Chi-Nu and Pz IV.
All of that makes M4s so easy and competitive to play that even with an almost minimum level, unexperted crew I was getting 10 kill games regularly. It’s insane how much better they are than Pz IVs.
A Pz IV is NOT “small profile” lmao.
So… if you use a tank how it is meant to be used, it’s good in its niche and worse than others everywhere else? Sounds perfectly balanced then.
Chi-Tos are strictly superior to Pz IVs. Especially after the engine buff. They’re still a little overtiered and would be fine at 4.3, but they’re good tanks.
I will now steal that meme for future use.
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Gaijin should put the PZ IV (Pz. Bef. Wg. IV) as prem 4.3 and move the prem PZ IV J as 4.3 normal tank.
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You are delusional, especially the J. See picture above.
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The premium Panzer IV (Pz. Bef. Wg. IV J) is essentially a slightly up-armoured Panzer IV J rather than a Panzer IV H. Its gun handling is absolutely terrible, and the only viable gameplay style it offers is to find a long-range map, sit and camp, and wait for someone to wander into your sights. Its comparable counterpart is the U.S. M10 tank destroyer, so how is it even justifiable to have a 4.7 battle rating in Ground Realistic Battles?
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Why should i be a copy cat, this is a clear case of skill issue on your part, and that was the easiest to tell you.
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uhhhhh…its german…uhhhhhhh…and it has lot of pen…
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Bro im a US main xD anyway,i play every nation on the game because i enjoy the game,but yeah i know what kind of US mains u say bro
Bro, it was an exaggeration as an example, but too many people take it literally as you can see, anyway, as I said I have been using it in older br without any problem although it is because that i know how to use it perfectly, i know new user wont know how and will get frustrated, 4.0-4.3 would be really good for the panzer IV H
Thats right!!
Well, I wouldn’t compare it to the M10 either. It’s true that the Panzer IV variant you’re talking about has a fairly low turret mobility, but not as much as the M10, Besides, the armor you have in the Panzer IV J Premium is much better than that of the M10, however I agree that the Panzer variant you mention should remain at 3.7 or at most rise to 4.0, The main problem we are talking about is the Panzer IV H, it does not have that problem of turret rotation, it has very good armor and a really powerful cannon, which would make its BR really have to be 4.0-4.3 or 4.7 also, because of the gun the m10 could be easily a 3.7 for grb and a 4.0 for arcade
But… The panzer IV H is not 4.3 dude,not even on arcade, also, use it wisely please, its a really really good tank, it could be at 4.0-4.3 or 4.7 and it would work really fine, i mean it would be fighting shermans, t34’s, maybe a m6 that we know that has no armour even if u angle,and UK stuff in the same Cromwell chassis, or maybe japanese tanks that i dont need to say they dont resist even a 75mm sherman shot
Ehem
So I’m not a ‘new user’.
The PzKpfw IV’s are far more limited and less versatile due to their awful armour, sluggish gun handling characteristics, mediocre reload rate, terrible mobility and lack of extras such as stabilization or 50. cals.
As long as the M4’s and T-34’s are better overall vehicles, there’s zero reason for Pz IV’s to move up to a higher BR.
It could easily be 3.3 given that the PzKpfw IV G is also at 3.3 and offers superior mobility and turret traverse.
I’d be generous by calling the BefehlsPanzer IV a sidegrade only due to it having marginally better protection (and even then the turret face is weak even to Rank I vehicles).
Simple Russian 76mm F-34 gun:
KV-1S and KV-1 ZiS-5 curbstomp a PzKpfw IV H.
It’s also headed towards T14 and M4A1 76 territory, again, both of which demolish a Pz IV.
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Hey man, if you want to see the PzIVs get moved up in BR, what you’re gonna want to do is set up a German Player Training Camp, and get that win rate up.
Fortunately, Gaijin still doesn’t base their BR assignments on outliers/one player’s great match.
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but dont you know? You can A N G L E (overlook for now that angling exposes the 30mm sides)
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this entire thread is just people having a skill issue panzer 4 H is mid its armor works till it doesnt and you have low speed STAB so it doesnt get first shot advantage and it has many weakspots you just cant cover like KUPOLA the turret face the sides its one big weak spot these guys just get mad that they cant aim and die in both T34 and M4 which both can easily beat the Panzer 4H and J and G like 80 mm of armor you cant angle is horrible as everyone has atleast 100mm or a little less
even the cromwell is better than this crap box as you can atleast angle it
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Cromwell is amazing btw
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