Systems like the Pantsir are what should be the norm for SPAA.
The Russian CAS is not that advanced because of the lack of basic optics and pods but it can be deadly sometimes
You’re joking right?
The new SU-25 mops the floor with the best Air to ground weaponry in the game, at 11.7.
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Idk didn’t played that but i do think that the gripen is gripening right now (is better) even the F16C that has the pod bugged since 1 A.D
Britain could get the Supacat HVM, outfitted with ASRAAM. Would have an effective range of about 15-18km
Or we could just get weapon systems meant to counter or outranged the Pantsir (like the soviets just got on the Su25SM3) like Brimstone or ALARM
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Yeah, before the Su25SM3. I’d tentatively say they had weak jet based CAS. But now… They have the meta CAS jet
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German mains
A what? Su-25 and its Kh-38 is the only useable thing rn. The 16C,Gripen,GR.7,Tornadoes, all are better. Su-39 got its Kh-29T nerfed to the point you cant see anything as the seeker isnt black/white anymore, but you basically see normally like it would be a camera, so finding something is very hard before you get to range of SPAA.
The Pantsir is literally the best SPAA in the game, the Norm should be way lower, and the Pantsir itself is broken
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Simply dont be main and play all nations. Then you cant complain something is OP until you played with it, cause then you can play with it and see it for yourself if it is true or not.
Best thing to do before you go to the forum(i don’t do that)
that doesn’t clear the fact that Germany exists and as all people who play topier, there should be a counter even if it is not easy to pull off
Exactly
I can bomb pansirs with my A-7E but German tornado can not, it lacks weaponary and flight performance to do so(i am not talking reliably, i mean possibly)
The PGMs are classed as missiles and not bombs game wise, so they can be shot down by proxy fuse munitions. Bombs can on the other hand only be destroyed with guns (or direct hits in general maybe).
Problem lies in Germany not really having any aircraft to be added for worthy CAS, except the IDS we already have. Not all nations can be equal, they werent in WWII and lower BRs before going into modern ages either. Like at beggining we had Me 262 vs MiG-15 and Sabre A-5. Simply gotta deal with that. Unfortunately there is no other way.
When the answer to “X nation can’t fight Y nation” is “don’t play that nation then” is kinda BS. And when 9/10 nations struggle Vs Pantsirs. There isn’t a lot of options left.
When the balance is such, that you need to play the soviets to beat the Pantsir. Then something is deeply flawed. Besides I’ve seen loads of soviet Vs soviet games at top tier recently. So even that is no defence
Regular bombs yes, GBUs for some reason not even with regular gunfire when we tried that.
At this point toptier is X nations cannot fight Sweden cause 122B+. So it already happened lol. Try playing ZTZ99A or Arietes vs 122Bs and 2A7s.
That is half true.
The tornado IDS is massively nerfed, missing loads of loadout options, equipment, even it’s flight model is placeholder.
And there are later variants of the tornado with more equipment and upgrades